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FadeTheButcher
07-14-2004, 10:29 AM
Popery and Jewry united against Europeans.

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Joint Declaration of the International Catholic-Jewish Liaison Committee



"Our Commitment to Justice Is Deeply Rooted in Both Our Faiths"

BUENOS AIRES, JULY 13, 2004 (Zenit.org (http://www.zenit.org/)).- Here is the Joint Declaration of the 18th International Catholic-Jewish Liaison Committee meeting, held in Buenos Aires from July 5-8.

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The 18th International Catholic-Jewish Liaison Committee Meeting
Buenos Aires, July 5-8, 2004

JOINT DECLARATION

Relations between the Catholic Church and the Jewish People have undergone far-reaching change since the Declaration of the Second Vatican Council, "Nostra Aetate" (http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decl_19651028_nostra-aetate_en.html) (1965). That Declaration highlighted Christianity's Jewish roots and the rich spiritual patrimony shared by Jews and Christians. Over the last quarter-century, Pope John Paul II has used every opportunity to promote dialogue between our two faith communities which he sees as intimately related at the very heart of our respective identities. This fraternal dialogue has engendered mutual understanding and respect. It is our hope that it will continue to resonate in ever-widening circles and touch the minds and hearts of Catholics and Jews -- and the wider community.

The 18th International Catholic-Jewish Liaison Committee Meeting was held in Buenos Aires, from July 5-8, 2004. This encounter, convened for the first time in Latin America, has been devoted to the subject of "Tzedeq" and "Tzedaqah" (Justice and Charity), in their theoretical aspects and practical applications. Our deliberations have been inspired by God's command to "love one's neighbor as oneself" (Leviticus 19:18; Matthew 22:39). Drawing from our different perspectives, we have renewed our joint commitment to defend and promote human dignity, as deriving from the biblical affirmation that every human being is created in the likeness and image of God (Genesis 1:26). We recall Pope John XXIII's advocacy of human rights for all God's children enunciated in his seminal encyclical "Pacem in Terris" (1963) and we pay special tribute to him for initiating the fundamental change in the Catholic-Jewish relationship.

Our joint commitment to justice is deeply rooted in both our faiths. We recall the tradition of helping the widow, the orphan, the poor, and the stranger in our midst in accordance with God's injunction (Exodus 22:20-22; Matthew 25:31-46). The Sages of Israel developed a broad doctrine of justice and charity for all, based upon an elevated understanding of the concept of "Tzedeq." Building on the Church's tradition, Pope John Paul II, in his first encyclical, "Redemptor Hominis" (1979), reminded Christians that a true relationship with God requires a strong commitment to service of one's neighbor.

While God created human beings in their diversity, He endowed them with the same dignity. We share the conviction that every person has the right to be treated with justice and equality. This right includes an equitable sharing of God's bounty and graciousness ("chesed").

Given the global dimensions of poverty, injustice and discrimination, we have a clear religious obligation to show concern for the poor and those deprived of their political, social and cultural rights. Jesus, deeply rooted in the Jewish tradition of his day, made a commitment to the poor a priority of his ministry. The Talmud affirms that the Holy One, Blessed be God, always cares for the needy. Today, this concern for the poor must embrace the vast numbers on all continents of the hungry, the homeless, the orphan, victims of AIDS, those without adequate medical care and all those who at present lack hope for a better future. In Jewish tradition, the highest form of charity is removing the obstacles that prevent the poor from rising out of their poverty. In recent years, the Church has emphasized its preferential option for the poor. Jews and Christians have an equal obligation to work for justice with charity ("Tzedaqah") which ultimately will lead to Shalom for all humanity. In fidelity to our distinct religious traditions, we see this common commitment to justice and charity as man's cooperation in the Divine plan to bring about a better world.

In the light of this common commitment, we recognize the need to address the following immediate challenges: the growing economic disparity among people, increasing ecological devastation, the negative aspects of globalization, and the urgent need for international peace-making and reconciliation.

We, therefore, salute the joint initiatives of Catholic and Jewish International and National organizations which have already begun to address the needs of the indigent, the hungry, the sick, the young, the undereducated and the aged. Building upon these actions of social justice we pledge ourselves to redouble our efforts to address the pressing needs of all out of our common commitment to justice and charity.

As we approach the 40th anniversary of "Nostra Aetate" -- the ground-breaking declaration of the Second Vatican Council which repudiated the deicide charge against Jews, reaffirmed the Jewish roots of Christianity and rejected anti-Semitism -- we take note of the many positive changes within the Catholic Church with respect to her relationship with the Jewish People. These past forty years of our fraternal dialogue stand in stark contrast to almost two millennia of a "teaching of contempt" and all its painful consequences. We draw encouragement from the fruits of our collective strivings which include the recognition of the unique and unbroken covenantal relationship between God and the Jewish People and the total rejection of anti-Semitism in all its forms, including anti-Zionism as a more recent manifestation of anti-Semitism.

For its part, the Jewish community has evinced a growing willingness to engage in interreligious dialogue and joint action regarding religious, social and communal issues on the local, national and international levels, as exemplified in the new direct dialogue between the Chief Rabbinate in Israel and the Holy See. Further, the Jewish community has made strides in educational programming about Christianity, the elimination of prejudice and the importance of Jewish-Christian dialogue. Additionally, the Jewish community has become aware of, and deplores, the phenomenon of anti-Catholicism in all its forms, manifesting itself in society at large.

On the 60th anniversary of the liberation of the Nazi death camps, we declare our determination to prevent the re-emergence of anti-Semitism which led to genocide and the Shoah. We stand together at this moment in time, following major international conferences on this problem, most recently in Berlin and at the United Nations in New York. We recall the words of Pope John Paul II that anti-Semitism is a sin against God and humanity.

We commit ourselves to the struggle against terrorism. We live in a new millennium, already stained by the attacks of September 11, 2001, and subsequent terrorist outrages worldwide. We meet on the 10th anniversary of two tragic experiences of terrorism here in Buenos Aires. Terror, in all its forms, and killing "in the name of God" can never be justified. Terror is a sin against man and God. We call on men and women of all faiths to support international efforts to eradicate this threat to life, so that all nations can live together in peace and security on the basis of "Tzedeq" and "Tzedaqah."

We pledge that the promises we have made to each other here in Buenos Aires will be implemented and disseminated throughout our communities so that the work of Justice and Charity shall, indeed, lead to God's greatest gift: peace

otto_von_bismarck
07-14-2004, 11:03 AM
The military command structure of the catholic church wears the pants, the stupid idealist jews take the fall along with the rest of their kind.

Askel5 etc go on loving Pope John Polack II.

Edana
07-14-2004, 02:31 PM
The military command structure of the catholic church wears the pants, the stupid idealist jews take the fall along with the rest of their kind.

Askel5 etc go on loving Pope John Polack II.

Do you have any evidence, or is this just what you want to believe?

otto_von_bismarck
07-14-2004, 02:42 PM
Do you have any evidence, or is this just what you want to believe?
Its actually seems pretty well accepted on the Phora( I used to be a lone voice in the wilderness) that the Vatican is fully behind the left in terms of mass immigration and socialism in Europe( I only discussed the US I didn't know they did this in Europe until I heard they push the same crap in France and Germany from Fade, Johnson, Braun, and even the idiot Wehr...).

Ill explain my reasoning...

1.The Roman Catholic Church operates according to a centralized military hierarchy... any comittee which wants to discuss the International stance of the church has to be approved at the highest levels.

2. Jews while I agree are somewhat innately liberal etc( of the ultra secular kind anyway) are a quarrelsome and nonmonolithic group. So all the church has to do is find some warm jewish bodies( maybe even closet Catholic converts... or paid off) who agree with the preordained position of the comittee.

SteamshipTime
07-14-2004, 03:50 PM
"Jews while I agree are somewhat innately liberal etc( of the ultra secular kind anyway) ..."

Uh, weikie, Orthodox Jews are the reason there's a senator named Hillary Clinton.

otto_von_bismarck
07-14-2004, 03:55 PM
"Jews while I agree are somewhat innately liberal etc( of the ultra secular kind anyway) ..."

Uh, weikie, Orthodox Jews are the reason there's a senator named Hillary Clinton.
I think she won by much a wider margin then that Hasidic neighborhood. The Hasidics are the Papist of judiasm... controlled by their hereditary rebbes. Not all Orthodox are Hasidics.

Edana
07-14-2004, 04:09 PM
In other words, you have no evidence of your "The Catholic Church is using the poor Jews" theory.

otto_von_bismarck
07-14-2004, 04:12 PM
In other words, you have no evidence of your "The Catholic Church is using the poor Jews" theory.
Ah I don't see how that follows from Hillary Clinton paying off( don't remember the details... think it involved some diamond scam) a Hasidic Rebbe in New York to order his followers to all vote for Hillary.

Edana
07-14-2004, 04:13 PM
I was replying to post #4.

SteamshipTime
07-14-2004, 04:34 PM
Jews are a traditional Democrat constituency. They have imported their social democratic ideals into the Republican party: "humanitarian" wars, pro-immigration, welfare policies, government involvement in education.

Like Gustav says, keep carrying that water.

otto_von_bismarck
07-14-2004, 04:42 PM
Jews are a traditional Democrat constituency.
True they still are mostly a Dem constituency, but they don't have the numbers to dominate voting bloc politics, which is what Bush-Rove tries to play. Bush Senior was a left wing Republican too and his Secretary of State apparently said "F*** the jews they don't vote for us anyway".

They have imported their social democratic ideals into the Republican party: "humanitarian" wars, pro-immigration, welfare policies, government involvement in education.

Like Gustav says, keep carrying that water.
Public education started before they arrived in any numbers. The GOP wants to appeal to women, wetbacks and social security dependents and doesn't think predominantly white male real conservatives have anywhere else to go. Thats the main ****ing problem.

Edana
07-14-2004, 04:50 PM
True they still are mostly a Dem constituency, but they don't have the numbers to dominate voting bloc politics

They have the money, media, and social power in their favor. Powerful people do not influence politicians by promising votes, they influence by promising financial support.

Jews provided at least half the money donated to the DNC in the 1998 and 2000 election cycles. At the RNC, Lew Eisenberg, who is Jewish, was finance chairman until he became finance chairman of the host committee for the Republican National Convention recently. At Bush-Cheney fundraisers in Washington, California, New York and Florida, rabbis gave the invocations.

Ira N. Forman, executive director of the National Jewish Democratic Council, said that Jews are the most politicized ethnic group in the country. "Karl Rove has a Jewish strategy," Forman said. "It's largely about money -- but it goes way beyond that."

Democrats have a Jewish strategy, too, they say. For some candidates that has meant shaking the family tree. Sen. John F. Kerry (Mass.) recently discovered he had Jewish grandparents. Retired Gen. Wesley K. Clark talks of his Jewish father. Former Vermont governor Howard Dean's wife and children are Jewish. Rep. Dennis J. Kucinich's Jewish girlfriend brags that Kucinich is a vegan out of respect for her kosher dietary laws and knows the Passover Seder by heart.

SOURCE:

Terrorism Jars Jewish, Arab Party Loyalties

By Laura Blumenfeld
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, December 7, 2003; Page A01

otto_von_bismarck
07-14-2004, 04:59 PM
Is it your contention that the immigration amnesty is driven mainly by desire for jewish support, either financially or in terms of votes, if not mainly is it a major factor?

Social Security? Farm Subsidies? Steel and Softwood lumber tariffs? The 1965 immigration act? The welfare regulatory state( and yes many jews are trial lawyers) in general?

Edana
07-14-2004, 05:06 PM
It is a major factor with the 1965 Immigration Act, definitely. I believe that the current situation is not an outright desire for Jewish support, but a consequence of the elite political/social culture which has been heavily influenced by upper class liberal/Jewish sensibilities.

Edana
07-14-2004, 05:10 PM
You can read this (http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/paper/ABERNET3.PDF) about the 1965 Immigration Act. No, Jews were not the only factor, but a big one.

otto_von_bismarck
07-14-2004, 05:16 PM
It is a major factor with the 1965 Immigration Act, definitely. I believe that the current situation is not an outright desire for Jewish support, but a consequence of the elite political/social culture which has been heavily influenced by upper class liberal/Jewish sensibilities.I agree on the culture of the top elite now... but by what logic do you think the jews made them that way, this is the same group which predominantly didn't let any jews into their country clubs till 5 years ago. The 1965 immigration act came as a result of a ruling by the Warren court ruling quotas unconstitutional and the main pointman in congress was Ted Kennedy... congress was heavily dominated by Far Left Dems( its amazing how nothing changes thats what I can't figure out) and LBJ was President. Jewish activism in the Civil Rights movement did not cause the 1965 immigration act, the white liberal ethos of the time did.

Edana
07-14-2004, 05:36 PM
...but by what logic do you think the jews made them that way, this is the same group which predominantly didn't let any jews into their country clubs till 5 years ago.

This is not the same group. Jews themselves are much of the upper crust nowadays. I very much suggest you read this thread (http://www.thephora.org/showthread.php?t=618) and then possibly check out the books referenced in that thread at your local library.

Read the PDF file I have provided, all of it, before posting more denial about immigration changes.