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Anarch
01-10-2005, 12:52 PM
I'm referring here to the non-Catholics.

How exactly is the bible compatible with a Republic and classic liberalism?

Thanks.

Petr
01-10-2005, 03:11 PM
I personally refuse to measure my religion with such trite secular definitions, but -

I think that true Christianity is a golden middle road between overt statism and overt anarchism, between overt collectivism and overt individualism.

God approves self-deification neither from the state nor from an individual.

You may want to check this provoking article, with which I do not completely agree, but nevertheless contains a summary of "Biblical anarchy"


"Biblical Anarchism"

by Stephen W. Carson

...

"Eventually, after a period under this Mosaic "anarchy," the Israelites ask the prophet Samuel for a king. Given our contemporary faith in the State, you would think that G-d, through his prophet, would praise the Israelites for realizing they needed a ruler, a strong leader to unite them and provide them direction.

Reading what G-d actually says through Samuel is a sobering reminder of how deeply heretical our modern faith in the State is:

And the LORD told him: "Listen to all that the people are saying to you; it is not you they have rejected, but they have rejected me as their king. As they have done from the day I brought them up out of Egypt until this day, forsaking me and serving other gods, so they are doing to you. Now listen to them; but warn them solemnly and let them know what the king who will reign over them will do."

Samuel told all the words of the LORD to the people who were asking him for a king. He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do: He will take your sons and make them serve with his chariots and horses, and they will run in front of his chariots. Some he will assign to be commanders of thousands and commanders of fifties, and others to plough his ground and reap his harvest, and still others to make weapons of war and equipment for his chariots. He will take your daughters to be perfumers and cooks and bakers. He will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive groves and give them to his attendants. He will take a tenth of your grain and of your vintage and give it to his officials and attendants. Your menservants and maidservants and the best of your cattle and donkeys he will take for his own use. He will take a tenth of your flocks, and you yourselves will become his slaves. When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, and the LORD will not answer you in that day."

(I Samuel 8:7-18)

"Here, the Bible makes it absolutely clear that the change from the Mosaic anarchy to what by today's standards would be a "limited government" will have terrible consequences and shows a tremendous lack of faith in G-d. This passage makes clear that the people of Israel committed a grievous sin when they rejected G-d's anarchy for a State."

...

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/carson2.html


Petr

otto_von_bismarck
01-10-2005, 08:52 PM
I'm referring here to the non-Catholics.

How exactly is the bible compatible with a Republic and classic liberalism?

Thanks.
I don't know how exactly but its worked in the past...

SteamshipTime
01-10-2005, 09:14 PM
I'm referring here to the non-Catholics.

How exactly is the bible compatible with a Republic and classic liberalism?

Thanks.

The ideal of men as equal in God's eyes, i.e., equal before the law--lex rex as opposed to rex lex--and individualism stemming from each man's individual relationship with God without the intercession of a priest.

Ideally, there would be no Earthly governments and we would all live under God's law. But since the Kingdom of God is not of this world, governments are ordained for the purpose of allowing men to live peaceful, righteous lives until such time.

In a nutshell.