Jews did 911.

There are many websites with info proving this.

Let the thread begin.

Jews are the real Terrorists to the USA and the World.

Whites unite against the Jew.

Jews did 911.

There are many websites with info proving this.

Let the thread begin.

Jews are the real Terrorists to the USA and the World.

Whites unite against the Jew.

You make a stong case ... :rolleyes:

Jews did 911.

There are many websites with info proving this.

Let the thread begin.

Jews are the real Terrorists to the USA and the World.

Whites unite against the Jew.
Kook go to libertyforum or rivero.

Jews did 911.

There are many websites with info proving this.

Let the thread begin.

Jews are the real Terrorists to the USA and the World.

Whites unite against the Jew.

You really ought to post some links, elsewise you're just asking to be made sport of, as per the previous replies to your (accurate) post. I'll get the ball rolling with a really excellent link of my own: http://antiwar.com/israeli-files.php

This "Jews did 911" guy is a Muslim undercover.:eek:

The IRA and the Muslims work together! :eek:

This sounds like an initiate of The Newswatcher School of Research.

Jews did 911.

There are many websites with info proving this.

Let the thread begin.

Jews are the real Terrorists to the USA and the World.

Whites unite against the Jew.


This is a very interesting theory and can make for an interesting topic, but you need to include some links and stories to state your case ;) I will start if off: lol

For all of you who think this is a "crazy conspiracy theory" you should know that this type of deceptive practices certainly wouldn't be a new tactic for Israeli intelligence. I am sure you have at least heard of these two incidents:

www.heartbone.com./nine11/ussliberty.html

www.assp.ch/page/history/Xtra/lavon.html

Also a very interesting take on The Lavon Affair, and how it may fit with this discussion. note: I know indymedia is a strange site, but nothing stated in here in this article is neccessarily untrue:

www.jerusalem.indymedia.org/news/2002/08/70136_comment.php

Also anyone remember this very interesting, and soon forgotten story about the "dancing Israelis? from ww1.sundayherald.com/37707




Five Israelis were seen filming as jet liners ploughed into the Twin Towers on September 11, 2001 ...

Were they part of a massive spy ring which shadowed the 9/11 hijackers and knew that al-Qaeda planned a devastating terrorist attack on the USA? Neil Mackay investigates



THERE was ruin and terror in Manhattan, but, over the Hudson River in New Jersey, a handful of men were dancing. As the World Trade Centre burned and crumpled, the five men celebrated and filmed the worst atrocity ever committed on American soil as it played out before their eyes.

Who do you think they were? Palestinians? Saudis? Iraqis, even? Al-Qaeda, surely? Wrong on all counts. They were Israelis – and at least two of them were Israeli intelligence agents, working for Mossad, the equivalent of MI6 or the CIA.

Their discovery and arrest that morning is a matter of indisputable fact. To those who have investigated just what the Israelis were up to that day, the case raises one dreadful possibility: that Israeli intelligence had been shadowing the al-Qaeda hijackers as they moved from the Middle East through Europe and into America where they trained as pilots and prepared to suicide-bomb the symbolic heart of the United States. And the motive? To bind America in blood and mutual suffering to the Israeli cause.

After the attacks on New York and Washington, the former Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, was asked what the terrorist strikes would mean for US-Israeli relations. He said: “It’s very good.” Then he corrected himself, adding: “Well, it’s not good, but it will generate immediate sympathy [for Israel from Americans].”

If Israel’s closest ally felt the collective pain of mass civilian deaths at the hands of terrorists, then Israel would have an unbreakable bond with the world’s only hyperpower and an effective free hand in dealing with the Palestinian terrorists who had been murdering its innocent civilians as the second intifada dragged on throughout 2001.

It’s not surprising that the New Jersey housewife who first spotted the five Israelis and their white van wants to preserve her anonymity. She’s insisted that she only be identified as Maria. A neighbour in her apartment building had called her just after the first strike on the Twin Towers. Maria grabbed a pair of binoculars and, like millions across the world, she watched the horror of the day unfold.

As she gazed at the burning towers, she noticed a group of men kneeling on the roof of a white van in her parking lot. Here’s her recollection: “They seemed to be taking a movie. They were like happy, you know ... they didn’t look shocked to me. I thought it was strange.”

Maria jotted down the van’s registration and called the police. The FBI was alerted and soon there was a statewide all points bulletin put out for the apprehension of the van and its occupants. The cops traced the number, establishing that it belonged to a company called Urban Moving.

Police Chief John Schmidig said: “We got an alert to be on the lookout for a white Chevrolet van with New Jersey registration and writing on the side. Three individuals were seen celebrating in Liberty State Park after the impact. They said three people were jumping up and down.”

By 4pm on the afternoon of September 11, the van was spotted near New Jersey’s Giants stadium. A squad car pulled it over and inside were five men in their 20s. They were hustled out of the car with guns levelled at their heads and handcuffed. In the car was $4700 in cash, a couple of foreign passports and a pair of box cutters –

the concealed Stanley Knife-type blades used by the 19 hijackers who’d flown jetliners into the World Trade Centre and Pentagon just hours before. There were also fresh pictures of the men standing with the smouldering wreckage of the Twin Towers in the background. One image showed a hand flicking a lighter in front of the devastated buildings, like a fan at a pop concert. The driver of the van then told the arresting officers: “We are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem.”



His name was Sivan Kurzberg. The other four passengers were Kurzberg’s brother Paul, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner and Omer Marmari. The men were dragged off to prison and transferred out of the custody of the FBI’s Criminal Division and into the hands of their Foreign Counterintelligence Section – the bureau’s anti-espionage squad.

A warrant was issued for a search of the Urban Moving premises in Weehawken in New Jersey. Boxes of papers and computers were removed. The FBI questioned the firm’s Israeli owner, Dominik Otto Suter, but when agents returned to re-interview him a few days later, he was gone. An employee of Urban Moving said his co-workers had laughed about the Manhattan attacks the day they happened. “I was in tears,” the man said. “These guys were joking and that bothered me. These guys were like, ‘Now America knows what we go through.’”

Vince Cannistraro, former chief of operations for counter-terrorism with the CIA, says the red flag went up among investigators when it was discovered that some of the Israelis’ names were found in a search of the national intelligence database. Cannistraro says many in the US intelligence community believed that some of the Israelis were working for Mossad and there was speculation over whether Urban Moving had been “set up or exploited for the purpose of launching an intelligence operation against radical Islamists”.

This makes it clear that there was no suggestion whatsoever from within American intelligence that the Israelis were colluding with the 9/11 hijackers – simply that the possibility remains that they knew the attacks were going to happen, but effectively did nothing to help stop them.

After the owner vanished, the offices of Urban Moving looked as if they’d been closed down in a big hurry. Mobile phones were littered about, the office phones were still connected and the property of at least a dozen clients were stacked up in the warehouse. The owner had cleared out his family home in New Jersey and returned to Israel.

Two weeks after their arrest, the Israelis were still in detention, held on immigration charges. Then a judge ruled that they should be deported. But the CIA scuppered the deal and the five remained in custody for another two months. Some went into solitary confinement, all underwent two polygraph tests and at least one underwent up to seven lie detector sessions before they were eventually deported at the end of November 2001. Paul Kurzberg refused to take a lie detector test for 10 weeks, but then failed it. His lawyer said he was reluctant to take the test as he had once worked for Israeli intelligence in another country.

Nevertheless, their lawyer, Ram Horvitz, dismissed the allegations as “stupid and ridiculous”. Yet US government sources still maintained that the Israelis were collecting information on the fundraising activities of groups like Hamas and Islamic Jihad. Mark Regev, of the Israeli embassy in Washington, would have none of that and he said the allegations were “simply false”. The men themselves claimed they’d read about the World Trade Centre attacks on the internet, couldn’t see it from their office and went to the parking lot for a better view. Their lawyers and the embassy say their ghoulish and sinister celebrations as the Twin Towers blazed and thousands died were due to youthful foolishness.

The respected New York Jewish newspaper, The Forward, reported in March 2002, however, that it had received a briefing on the case of the five Israelis from a US official who was regularly updated by law enforcement agencies. This is what he told The Forward: “The assessment was that Urban Moving Systems was a front for the Mossad and operatives employed by it.” He added that “the conclusion of the FBI was that they were spying on local Arabs”, but the men were released because they “did not know anything about 9/11”.



Back in Israel, several of the men discussed what happened on an Israeli talk show. One of them made this remarkable comment: “The fact of the matter is we are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the event.” But how can you document an event unless you know it is going to happen?

We are now deep in conspiracy theory territory. But there is more than a little circumstantial evidence to show that Mossad – whose motto is “By way of deception, thou shalt do war” – was spying on Arab extremists in the USA and may have known that September 11 was in the offing, yet decided to withhold vital information from their American counterparts which could have prevented the terror attacks.

Following September 11, 2001, more than 60 Israelis were taken into custody under the Patriot Act and immigration laws. One highly placed investigator told Carl Cameron of Fox News that there were “tie-ins” between the Israelis and September 11; the hint was clearly that they’d gathered intelligence on the planned attacks but kept it to themselves.

The Fox News source refused to give details, saying: “Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It’s classified information.” Fox News is not noted for its condemnation of Israel; it’s a ruggedly patriotic news channel owned by Rupert Murdoch and was President Bush’s main cheerleader in the war on terror and the invasion of Iraq.

Another group of around 140 Israelis were detained prior to September 11, 2001, in the USA as part of a widespread investigation into a suspected espionage ring run by Israel inside the USA. Government documents refer to the spy ring as an “organised intelligence-gathering operation” designed to “penetrate government facilities”. Most of those arrested had served in the Israeli armed forces – but military service is compulsory in Israel. Nevertheless, a number had an intelligence background.

The first glimmerings of an Israeli spying exercise in the USA came to light in spring 2001, when the FBI sent a warning to other federal agencies alerting them to be wary of visitors calling themselves “Israeli art students” and attempting to bypass security at federal buildings in order to sell paintings. A Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) report suggested the Israeli calls “may well be an organised intelligence-gathering activity”. Law enforcement documents say that the Israelis “targeted and penetrated military bases” as well as the DEA, FBI and dozens of government facilities, including secret offices and the unlisted private homes of law enforcement and intelligence personnel.



A number of Israelis questioned by the authorities said they were students from Bezalel Academy of Art and Design, but Pnina Calpen, a spokeswoman for the Israeli school, did not recognise the names of any Israelis mentioned as studying there in the past 10 years. A federal report into the so-called art students said many had served in intelligence and electronic signal intercept units during their military service.

According to a 61-page report, drafted after an investigation by the DEA and the US immigration service, the Israelis were organised into cells of four to six people. The significance of what the Israelis were doing didn’t emerge until after September 11, 2001, when a report by a French intelligence agency noted “according to the FBI, Arab terrorists and suspected terror cells lived in Phoenix, Arizona, as well as in Miami and Hollywood, Florida, from December 2000 to April 2001 in direct proximity to the Israeli spy cells”.

The report contended that Mossad agents were spying on Mohammed Atta and Marwan al-Shehi, two of leaders of the 9/11 hijack teams. The pair had settled in Hollywood, Florida, along with three other hijackers, after leaving Hamburg – where another Mossad team was operating close by.

Hollywood in Florida is a town of just 25,000 souls. The French intelligence report says the leader of the Mossad cell in Florida rented apartments “right near the apartment of Atta and al-Shehi”. More than a third of the Israeli “art students” claimed residence in Florida. Two other Israelis connected to the art ring showed up in Fort Lauderdale. At one time, eight of the hijackers lived just north of the town.

Put together, the facts do appear to indicate that Israel knew that 9/11, or at least a large-scale terror attack, was about to take place on American soil, but did nothing to warn the USA. But that’s not quite true. In August 2001, the Israelis handed over a list of terrorist suspects – on it were the names of four of the September 11 hijackers. Significantly, however, the warning said the terrorists were planning an attack “outside the United States”.

The Israeli embassy in Washington has dismissed claims about the spying ring as “simply untrue”. The same denials have been issued repeatedly by the five Israelis seen high-fiving each other as the World Trade Centre burned in front of them.

Their lawyer, Ram Horwitz, insisted his clients were not intelligence officers. Irit Stoffer, the Israeli foreign minister, said the allegations were “completely untrue”. She said the men were arrested because of “visa violations”, adding: “The FBI investigated those cases because of 9/11.”

Jim Margolin, an FBI spokesman in New York, implied that the public would never know the truth, saying: “If we found evidence of unauthorised intelligence operations that would be classified material.” Yet, Israel has long been known, according to US administration sources, for “conducting the most aggressive espionage operations against the US of any US ally”. Seventeen years ago, Jonathan Pollard, a civilian working for the American Navy, was jailed for life for passing secrets to Israel. At first, Israel claimed Pollard was part of a rogue operation, but the government later took responsibility for his work.

It has always been a long-accepted agreement among allies – such as Britain and America or America and Israel – that neither country will jail a “friendly spy” nor shame the allied country for espionage. Chip Berlet, a senior analyst at Boston’s Political Research Associates and an expert in intelligence, says: “It’s a backdoor agreement between allies that says that if one of your spies gets caught and didn’t do too much harm, he goes home. It goes on all the time. The official reason is always visa violation.”

What we are left with, then, is fact sullied by innuendo. Certainly, it seems, Israel was spying within the borders of the United States and it is equally certain that the targets were Islamic extremists probably linked to September 11. But did Israel know in advance that the Twin Towers would be hit and the world plunged into a war without end; a war which would give Israel the power to strike its enemies almost without limit? That’s a conspiracy theory too far, perhaps. But the unpleasant feeling that, in this age of spin and secrets, we do not know the full and unadulterated truth won’t go away. Maybe we can guess, but it’s for the history books to discover and decide.

It seems to be, in the least, a strange concidence that these Israelis would have the same type of weapon that the hijackers used. And were these Mossad agents simply "gathering information ie spying, or....


Another story that was quickly forgotten. Otto, I know you have already voiced your disbelief of this story, but oh well :p from the bbc:

Hijack 'suspects' alive and well

Another of the men named by the FBI as a hijacker in the suicide attacks on Washington and New York has turned up alive and well.

The identities of four of the 19 suspects accused of having carried out the attacks are now in doubt.

Saudi Arabian pilot Waleed Al Shehri was one of five men that the FBI said had deliberately crashed American Airlines flight 11 into the World Trade Centre on 11 September.

His photograph was released, and has since appeared in newspapers and on television around the world.

Hijacking suspects
Flight 175: Marwan Al-Shehhi, Fayez Ahmed, Mohald Alshehri, Hamza Alghamdi and Ahmed Alghamdi

Flight 11: Waleed M Alshehri, Wail Alshehri, Mohamed Atta, Abdulaziz Alomari and Satam Al Suqami

Flight 77: Khalid Al-Midhar, Majed Moqed, Nawaq Alhamzi, Salem Alhamzi and Hani Hanjour

Flight 93: Ahmed Alhaznawi, Ahmed Alnami, Ziad Jarrahi and Saeed Alghamdi

Now he is protesting his innocence from Casablanca, Morocco.

He told journalists there that he had nothing to do with the attacks on New York and Washington, and had been in Morocco when they happened. He has contacted both the Saudi and American authorities, according to Saudi press reports.

He acknowledges that he attended flight training school at Daytona Beach in the United States, and is indeed the same Waleed Al Shehri to whom the FBI has been referring.

But, he says, he left the United States in September last year, became a pilot with Saudi Arabian airlines and is currently on a further training course in Morocco.

Mistaken identity


Abdulaziz Al Omari, another of the Flight 11 hijack suspects, has also been quoted in Arab news reports.


Abdelaziz Al Omari 'lost his passport in Denver'
He says he is an engineer with Saudi Telecoms, and that he lost his passport while studying in Denver.

Another man with exactly the same name surfaced on the pages of the English-language Arab News.

The second Abdulaziz Al Omari is a pilot for Saudi Arabian Airlines, the report says.

Meanwhile, Asharq Al Awsat newspaper, a London-based Arabic daily, says it has interviewed Saeed Alghamdi.


Khalid Al-Midhar may also be alive

He was listed by the FBI as a hijacker in the United flight that crashed in Pennsylvania.

And there are suggestions that another suspect, Khalid Al Midhar, may also be alive.

FBI Director Robert Mueller acknowledged on Thursday that the identity of several of the suicide hijackers is in doubt.

Jews did that :mad:

Killed yankees and blamed arabs and stupid yankees believed :D :mad: :jew:

http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/wtcbombings.htm

"The Complete Idiot's Guide to Jewish History and Culture"
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0028627113/qid=1104410375/

The U.S. Was Set to Support Palestinian Statehood!
The Bush administration planned to promote and support the recognition of a Palestinian state in a speech to be given by Secretary Colin L. Powell, "but the plan was derailed by the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon," according on the Washington Post, Oct 2, 2001. Powell had planned to discuss the initiative with Prince Bandar bin Sultan, the Saudi ambassador to the United States on Sept. 13!

I remember this. Very interesting. It fits with this, from the article I posted earlier:

After the attacks on New York and Washington, the former Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, was asked what the terrorist strikes would mean for US-Israeli relations. He said: “It’s very good.” Then he corrected himself, adding: “Well, it’s not good, but it will generate immediate sympathy [for Israel from Americans].”

And this:

A warrant was issued for a search of the Urban Moving premises in Weehawken in New Jersey. Boxes of papers and computers were removed. The FBI questioned the firm’s Israeli owner, Dominik Otto Suter, but when agents returned to re-interview him a few days later, he was gone. An employee of Urban Moving said his co-workers had laughed about the Manhattan attacks the day they happened. “I was in tears,” the man said. “These guys were joking and that bothered me. These guys were like, ‘Now America knows what we go through.’”

The U.S. Was Set to Support Palestinian Statehood!
The Bush administration planned to promote and support the recognition of a Palestinian state in a speech to be given by Secretary Colin L. Powell, "but the plan was derailed by the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon," according on the Washington Post, Oct 2, 2001. Powell had planned to discuss the initiative with Prince Bandar bin Sultan, the Saudi ambassador to the United States on Sept. 13!


I happen to have access to the archives of the Washington Post. No such article was run on that date that I can see. Unless it was removed as part of the ZOG conspiracy? Or perhaps Winston Smith rewriting the newspaper archives ?:rolleyes:

Here's an article that ran on October 3rd,and is probably what you're referring to. Hardly some sort of smoking gun, if this is indeed what you're referring to, exclamation points and all. In fact it IS an endorsement of a Palestinian State, albeit with conditions.

Note that I cannot post a link, as it is a proprietary service of my local library. And I'm not about to start handing out my library card # over the net. (Mods: If this is some sort of copyright violation, please delete it.)


Bush Gives Backing To Palestinian State; Conditions Include Acceptance of Israel; [FINAL Edition]

Copyright The Washington Post Company Oct 3, 2001
President Bush conditionally endorsed Palestinian statehood for the first time yesterday, saying, "The idea of a Palestinian state has always been part of a vision, so long as the right to Israel to exist is respected."

The United States and Israel have been moving toward recognition of a Palestinian state, and President Bill Clinton held out that prospect in January. But Bush's comment was the first time he or any other Republican president had indicated acceptance of the concept. It also marked another step toward greater involvement in Middle East peacemaking, a task the administration had initially showed less appetite for than the Clinton administration.

"We are fully committed to working with both sides to bring the level of terror down to an acceptable level for both," Bush said during a photo session after meeting with congressional leaders. "And I fully understand that progress is made in centimeters in the Middle East. And we believe we're making some progress."

In the Middle East, Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat welcomed Bush's statement, while an aide to Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said it did not represent a major change.

In a statement released by the Palestinian news agency Wafa, Arafat expressed "gratitude and appreciation." Nabil Abu Rdainah, a senior adviser to Arafat, told Reuters, "Definitely this is a positive development in the American position that will reflect positively on developments in the region."

Bush, who has declined to meet Arafat until the Palestinian leader demonstrates greater efforts to rein in violence, also said that the first step forward should be the adoption of the recommendations of the international committee headed by former senator George J. Mitchell (D-Maine). Those recommendations included a cease-fire between Israelis and Palestinians, confidence-building measures and a resumption of peace talks. "First things first," Bush said.

But the prospects for an early end to violence were thrown into doubt again yesterday when two Palestinians attacked a Jewish settlement in the Gaza Strip, killing two people and injuring 15.

Bush's comments were made in response to questions about reports in the New York Times and The Washington Post yesterday that before the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks the administration had been planning a new initiative to promote peace in the Middle East. The initiative would have included a speech by Secretary of State Colin L. Powell holding out the possibility of recognition of Palestinian statehood and 10 days or so later a meeting between Bush and Arafat at the United Nations General Assembly meeting. But the plans were thrown off track by the terrorist attacks.

Now U.S. efforts to promote peace between Israel and the Palestinians have taken on new significance as the Bush administration tries to rally Arab and Muslim support for a coalition against terrorism and demonstrate that the United States is not waging war on Islam. The U.S. war on terrorism has also raised the stakes, and possibly the costs, for parties engaging in terrorism and violence in the region.

"The September 11 tragedy may have created a new dynamic in the Middle East, and I think it is appropriate for the president and secretary of state to be trying to take advantage of that," Mitchell said in a CNN interview last night.

But some, such as Howard A. Kohr, executive director of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, see the president's comment as ill-timed because of continuing violence being carried out by Palestinians. "The people giving the president this advice forget that he is trying to fight terror, not reward it," Kohr said.

Sensitive to that criticism, the administration portrayed Bush's remarks as consistent with past U.S. policy. "As the president said this morning, there has always been a vision in our thinking, as well as in previous administrations' thinking, that there would be a Palestinian state that would exist at the same time that the security of the state of Israel was also recognized, guaranteed and accepted by all parties," Powell said after talks with Indian Foreign Minister Jaswant Singh. "That vision is alive and well, and we hope that it will come about as a result of negotiations between the two sides. So, in that regard, there is nothing new."

State Department spokesman Richard A. Boucher said that Israel had indicated it would be ready to accept a Palestinian state. He noted that on Sept. 24 Sharon said, "Israel wants to give the Palestinians what no one else has given them, the possibility of establishing a state." That comment created controversy within Sharon's governing coalition.

Boucher said that before the Sept. 11 attacks the administration had been planning to use the U.N. General Assembly meeting to push the peace process forward. "Looking forward to the U.N. General Assembly, it was quite clear that could either be a moment of great complication and noise, or it could be a moment where the world realized that there was something positive going on in the Middle East," he said at the State Department briefing. "And we wanted to make sure it was a moment when there was something positive going on."

"And they started World War 2 " :rolleyes:

Anyone remember the scene from "Black Adder" when Lord Percy in a fit of hysteria tells Edward that the heavens had been full of strange and wonderful signs.
Percy goes on to describe how he had seen that very morning in the courtyard "a horse with two heads and eight legs".

Edward replies , "Two horses Percy standing side by side ?"

What a load of hogwash is there anything the Jews have not done ?
The 5 Jews there to film , I hope they all had long beards , hook noses and uneven teeth. :rolleyes:
What utter tripe.

Jews make Aryans have bad teeth by artificially manipulating the amount of flouride in drinking water.

Here are the links to parts 1 to 4 of FOX News' Carl Cameron's story on Israeli espionage against the United States. It was shown once on FOX News, then deleted from their website shortly thereafter. FOX denied the story even existed at one point. In any event, it contains much interesting info, including the story about the celebrating Israeli employees of Urban Moving Systems, who were arrested at Liberty Park on 9/11/01.


http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7545.htm

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7544.htm

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6480.htm

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5133.htm

Where did all these fucking kooks come from?

I really wish we could stay on topic here. This topic is very interesting and important. I don't think that anyone, least of all me, is trying to suggest that Israel, without a doubt, were the masterminds behind the September 11th attacks, but you would have to admit there are plenty of weird inconsistancies in some of the events surrounding the attacks. I am just looking at the POSSIBILITY of Israeli involvement. I don't understand why the idea of this is so far-fetched to people, when there are instances of this type of thing, though on a smaller scale, in the past, carried out by our "ally" Israel.

I want to add that there are some conspiracy theories surrounding this that I do not buy, either, for example remote control of the aircrafts. Or the claim that every SINGLE Jew who worked at the world trade center was warned in advance of the impending attack. But just because there are a few illogical theories about this out there does not cancel out the very real POSSIBILITY of Israeli involvement.

Sometimes, I can't help but wonder if these crazy theories are invented to draw attention away from the real truths and oddities that surround this attack, and also to make the more logical questions and ideas they produce seem delusional as well.

11/11/2004
Fox News Series On Israeli Spying In The US Found

In the series Carl Cameron talks about all the different ways that the Israeli government with its spies have infiltrated the US including with their telecommunications that have exclusive contracts with the US and have used their technoligies to even to botch an LAPD attempt to bust Israeli drug-dealers a few years ago. Yes, it appears as if the Mossad sometimes works IN TANDEM with the Israeli Mafia.

The series reveals how Israeli spies were trailing the terrorists involved with 9-11 and one might even come to the conclusion that they actually colluded, aided and abetted the terrorists of 9-11 and therefore WERE actually ACCOMPLICES in 9-11, as I have come to believe. Therefore, they were/ARE terrorists themselves, in my opinion. Even Carl Cameron said at the end of the show, "How could they NOT have known???"

But judge for yourself! You will never see this kind of footage on US mainstream media again (or anytime soon).

Israeli Spying: THE FOX NEWS STORY THAT WAS SPIKED

Part 1
Note in the first segment of the article that a highly placed US investigator states, "evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information." This statement suggests that such evidence must exist, since there would be no need for classification if nothing had been found.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7545.htm

Part 2
In this segment of the report, American terrorist investigators fear certain suspects in the Sept. 11 attacks may have managed to stay ahead of them, by knowing who and when investigators are calling on the telephone; information provided by an Israeli-owned (and IDF funded) telephone company at which several of the arrested Israeli 9/11 suspects worked.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7544.htm

Part 3video (2.4MB RealVideo)
In this third report, it is revealed that the wiretapping capability that is permanently built into your telephone is built, installed, and maintained by yet another Israeli owned company and that this equipment is suspected of having a "back door" which allows the Mossad to use the same equipment to wiretap any telephone in America by remote control.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6480.htm

Part 4video (2.8MB RealVideo) - video (6.6MB WMV)
In this final part of the report, Fox News shows how the availability of information on police phone calls resulted in the collapse of an investigation of a drug and fraud crime ring with Israeli connections. Investigators traced the information, which included calls to police investigators' beepers, to Amdocs. Note that 50% of the R&D costs of Comverse Infosys are paid by the Israeli Government.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5133.htm

The series reveals how Israeli spies were trailing the terrorists involved with 9-11 and one might even come to the conclusion that they actually colluded, aided and abetted the terrorists of 9-11 and therefore WERE actually ACCOMPLICES in 9-11, as I have come to believe. Therefore, they were/ARE terrorists themselves, in my opinion. Even Carl Cameron said at the end of the show, "How could they NOT have known???"

If Israel was involved in 9/11, this quote sums up, how I think it went down. I think these Israeli agents were not only "trailing" these "terrorists, but were involved with them. I think they had infiltrated these different "terrorist cells" and were helping with the planning of the attack. Israeli intelligence is very sophisticated and that would make sense as to why the attacks were able to be as successful as they were. I think there were probably no actually Israeli agents on the planes as "hijackers", but clearly, some of the islamic terrorists were not who they claimed to be either.

333 means Jews Did 911.

Each word is made up of three letters.

The new code word for showing the Jews did 911 is "333"

333! everybody!

333 will soon be an equal to such things as 14 and 88.

Lucky Larry Silverstein is quoted in German newspapers that he was happy the towers came down.
Why? because the asbestos insulation had been sprayed on under heat and pressure and had sunk into the steel chemisty during the last 30 years and could not be removed. So Asbestos removal and lawsuits were at the core of Silverstein working with Mossad to bring the towers down neatly.

Jews did 911.

Here are the links to parts 1 to 4 of FOX News' Carl Cameron's story on Israeli espionage against the United States. It was shown once on FOX News, then deleted from their website shortly thereafter. FOX denied the story even existed at one point. In any event, it contains much interesting info, including the story about the celebrating Israeli employees of Urban Moving Systems, who were arrested at Liberty Park on 9/11/01.


http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7545.htm

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7544.htm

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6480.htm

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5133.htm

Very smart links. I've seen them too.
It's becoming clear Israel/Mossad/Extremists like Jews....were behind the worst terrorist act in US History.

yes, those were great links :) These two quotes from the third link were particularily interesting:

http://www.informationclearinghouse...article6480.htm

CARL CAMERON, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The company is Comverse Infosys, a subsidiary of an Israeli-run private telecommunications firm, with offices throughout the U.S. It provides wiretapping equipment for law enforcement.

And what troubles investigators most, particularly in New York, in the counter terrorism investigation of the World Trade Center attack, is that on a number of cases, suspects that they had sought to wiretap and survey immediately changed their telecommunications processes. They started acting much differently as soon as those supposedly secret wiretaps went into place – Brit.

Obviously this would indicate that this Israeli-run communication firm or their Mossad contacts warned these "suspects" that they were going to be wiretapped. That would lead to the question of what exactly they were so concerned about the "suspects" saying. ;)

A little Jew boy called "Lenny" PM'd me a love note:

"you are stupid" (I copied it from the Reputation pt. in box line)


Well Lenny (Leonard)...Enjoy

I guess we are on the right track. Jews did 911


333 333=JEW DID 911 (three letters three words three times)

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At least toss him into the pit of abominations with Marty.

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At least toss him into the pit of abominations with Marty.



Why?

Ive seen how Rense and Rivero cranks in any #s ruin a site.

Kook go to libertyforum or rivero.
Jews r scum.

Jews r scum.Brilliant post NewsWatcher. full of truth-telling and laser insights and other things.

Brilliant post NewsWatcher. full of truth-telling and laser insights and other things.Why do you say such.

Are you a jew mob man?

Why do you say such.I probly should've added the :rolleyes: smiley. i was trying to make fun of him

Newswatcher is crazy and a fool

I probly should've added the :rolleyes: smiley to make myself clear. i was actually making fun of him

Newswatcher is crazy and a fool
Ah I was joking too... ive known him longer then you.

Ive seen how Rense and Rivero cranks in any #s ruin a site.
What do you want to talk about, Otto? Super Mario Kart? "Deadwood". The weather in Massachusetts? Paris Hilton?

starr, Carl got it wrong, Comverse is a public company, not private. I actually owned some at one time; sold it way, way too early though.

http://chart.finance.yahoo.com/c/my/c/cmvt.gif

By the way, the Muslims did 9/11! Any Israeli spies caught should be shot of course.

It's a very embarassing question if you ask me...I still don't know.
I've read some very interesting conspiracy theory, well done, about the facts, for example that some mossad agents were arrested at the WTC the morning of the 9/11, while they celebrate the attacks ! I've heard of this in France, from a " extrem left wing " politics dude...Most of you i'm sure know this clip www.elchulo.net/pentagon.swf . Their theory is simple : It wasn't a boieng that hit the pentagon, but a missile. Watch also it and tell me you're opinion...But by that logic, if a missille hit the pentagon, why two boieng hit and destroyed the WTC ? Well as you can see...my conclusion would be something like : YES, the musilms / Al qaeda did the 9/11 but maybe ZOG didn't do everything to avoid it...

What a load of hogwash is there anything the Jews have not done ?


Everything that has happened has happened on their watch. That's pretty incriminating.

The " evidence " that Jews" came to film the out come of the hi-jacks does sort of tend to undermine the fact that if you are going to spy you don't expose you operatives.

If the jews did 911 they would seem to have infiltrated or perhaps even created the group which carried out the crime . :rolleyes:
What is the Jewish gain from 911 ?
They appear to have more than enough problems at home.

The CIA gent who went in the wake of 911 , it would seem that there wa enough evidence around to say something was up and coming.
Some took notice of it , America reacted when it was too late.
No Jews at work in the Towers on 911 , wonder if all jewish police and fire and ambulance workers had the day off as well.
Did all Jewish workers in the Pentagon ring in sick , did all Jews decide not to fly on domestic flights on the day as well ?

Are the US intelligence community protecting Israel ?
The more you look at this the more insane it becomes , it falls pretty much into line with another conspiracy theory in that the Jews are the root of all evil in the West and in America in particular.

Are you being serious when you say that America after the trauma of 911 and its fall out are going to be so blind or so controlled that they will knowingly set aside the identity of the people who set it up ?

The Jews did 911 all we need is a jepg of a rabbi at the controls and the jury can go and consider its verdict. :rolleyes:

Atlas I would refer you again tot the American intelligence failure on the event , blaming "ZOG" ( whoever or whatever that is ?) asks a second rate question.
BTW You banner quote from Hitler. You are aware that hitler was not playing on the level when he said this.
he also said that he would "settle" with religion when he had won the war.
like Stalin religion would be regulated by what he , hitler would or would not allow.
A little insincere , the Fuhrer. :p
You just can't trust anyone can you.

This is not really history , it is speculation and conspiracy theory.

What is the Jewish gain from 911 ? Everything. That is why they are the prime suspects.
What better way to gain even more control than to have their enemies kill each other and implement totalitarian laws in their colonies, like the Patriot Acts?
You can bet they are rejoicing in the fact that the stupid goyim are killing each other at their own expense and giving up their liberty and privacy so that it will be easier for them to single out and silence dissent by selectively enforcing the incomprehensible tangle of laws that have been passed under their watch.


They appear to have more than enough problems at home.

Their home is the world, and we are their uninvited guests to be disposed of.

Everything. That is why they are the prime suspects.
What better way to gain even more control than to have their enemies kill each other and implement totalitarian laws in their colonies, like the Patriot Acts?
You can bet they are rejoicing in the fact that the stupid goyim are killing each other at their own expense and giving up their liberty and privacy so that it will be easier for them to single out and silence dissent by selectively enforcing the incomprehensible tangle of laws that have been passed under their watch.Their home is the world, and we are their uninvited guests to be disposed of.


You are exactly right, Travis. The Jews have the United States even, more then before, doing their dirty work for them. Does anyone believe there would be ANY support for "a war on terrorism" without the event of a "spectacular attack" of this nature. Yes, when something like this happens, we are once again reminded that Israel is "the only democracy in the middle east" and we have to support them in any way we can, because after all, now we know all to well, how dangerous those "jihadists" are. :rolleyes:

Now let us examine what the "Muslim terrorists" gained from this attack................uh, can anyone think of anything? LOL

Their home is the world, and we are their uninvited guests to be disposed of.

This is a great and truthful line. :)

Fvcking kikes, Hitler went too easy with them !

What do you want to talk about, Otto? Super Mario Kart? "Deadwood". The weather in Massachusetts? Paris Hilton?
Its better then having to spend all day debunking "missles hit the pentagon" crap and its fun.

Originally Posted by albion
What do you want to talk about, Otto? Super Mario Kart? "Deadwood". The weather in Massachusetts? Paris Hilton?

Yawn :(

Its better then having to spend all day debunking "missles hit the pentagon" crap and its fun.


Oh come on now, this conversation is much more fun. :p I am not joking when I say it is obviously more interesting.

The " evidence " that Jews" came to film the out come of the hi-jacks does sort of tend to undermine the fact that if you are going to spy you don't expose you operatives.

What exactly do you think they were doing then? They just happened to be filming outside the World Trade Center on that day? And why did they appear to be happy about what they were witnessing? You know if this would have been a few Al Qaida(sp) terrorist types acting in this manner, it would be held up as further proof of their involvement. And their actions would be another one of the events of the day that would be burned into our memories.

Police Chief John Schmidig said: “We got an alert to be on the lookout for a white Chevrolet van with New Jersey registration and writing on the side. Three individuals were seen celebrating in Liberty State Park after the impact. They said three people were jumping up and down.”

yawn

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Her, video games, and great tv is better then discussing kook theories that have been debunked 1000000 times( that goes for no jews were harmed during the production of that 3rd reich movie theories too). As for Mass weather im with you, discussing it when its good is bad luck discussing it when bad is just depressing.

Otto , you are correct ;) Miss Hilton is indeed much more interesting and attractive.
This young lady could be a movie star. :D ;)

Three men in a car.
this is like the white car which was supposed to have been such a key factor in the death of Diana Princess of Wales.
When it was all looked at , it was nothing to do with the accident.

In the same way three men in a van , does this make them "Jews" automatically ?
No one thought of doing the good old "citizens arrest" ?

"What exactly do you think they were doing then? They just happened to be filming outside the World Trade Center on that day? And why did they appear to be happy about what they were witnessing?"

Again it begs the questions people so obviously happy at what they were seeing , why did noone stop them or hand them over to "New Yorks Finest".
If this was so obvious and their emotional betrayal so obvious they are not much good at blending in , as far as spies goes its a bit duff.

Seems to be the product of rumour and speculation more than anything else.
Why film it , its not exactly the sort of event which escapes the national and world media ?

Now this plot to control and silence free speech , the twin towers for this ?
Even on a superficial level only the foolish and the gulible would entertain it.
To go to such great lengths to set it up and then to compromise it by sending people to film it ?
To go to such great lengths to set it up and then endanger suspicion by ensuring all jews who worked in the towers did not come in ?

Look Otto must be right , this is pure rubbish , complete and total.

In the same way three men in a van , does this make them "Jews" automatically ?
No one thought of doing the good old "citizens arrest" ?


Again it begs the questions people so obviously happy at what they were seeing , why did noone stop them or hand them over to "New Yorks Finest".
If this was so obvious and their emotional betrayal so obvious they are not much good at blending in , as far as spies goes its a bit duff.

Seems to be the product of rumour and speculation more than anything else.
Why film it , its not exactly the sort of event which escapes the national and world media ?

:confused:
did you read the story? yes They did not get arrested on the scene, but their behavior was reported to Law Enforcement officials, and they were arrested hours later, and they were Israelis:

By 4pm on the afternoon of September 11, the van was spotted near New Jersey’s Giants stadium. A squad car pulled it over and inside were five men in their 20s. They were hustled out of the car with guns levelled at their heads and handcuffed. In the car was $4700 in cash, a couple of foreign passports and a pair of box cutters –

the concealed Stanley Knife-type blades used by the 19 hijackers who’d flown jetliners into the World Trade Centre and Pentagon just hours before. There were also fresh pictures of the men standing with the smouldering wreckage of the Twin Towers in the background. One image showed a hand flicking a lighter in front of the devastated buildings, like a fan at a pop concert. The driver of the van then told the arresting officers: “We are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem.”


Seems to be the product of rumour and speculation more than anything else.
Why film it , its not exactly the sort of event which escapes the national and world media ?

It didn't, although only for a very short time. This story was reported on foxnews and it was also on abcnews.com

Three individuals were seen celebrating in Liberty State Park after the impact. They said three people were jumping up and down

I saw live footage of Palestinians celebrating too, obviously the Palestinians and Israelis were in on it together... yeah that makes sense.

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[QUOTE=otto_von_bismarck][I]Three individuals were seen celebrating in Liberty State Park after the impact. They said three people were jumping up and down

I saw live footage of Palestinians celebrating too, obviously the Palestinians and Israelis were in on it together... yeah that makes sense.


The problem is that many of the Palestinians do not like Americans, and for good reasons, I will add. However the Israelis are our so-called Allies. So the Palestinian celebrations are understandable, but why would the Israelis be acting in this manner? And why the comments from Netanyahou(sp) hmm, strange, itz.

And these three people were charged with what , and if not why not ?
Were the passports false ?
Was it illegal to carry the money ?
What evidence was there to say they were involved ?

I think its important for you that the "Jews did it", more important than anything else.

There is perhaps a more simple answer , the three guys were a trio of jerks with onlt a few grey cells to link together.

Your evidence.
being .
A few photographs which prove what ?
A box of cutting blades , why would they have these with them.
Does this link them to the hi-jacks and make them guilty ?
What do you think tis makes them , hi-jackers who missed the flight or the people who supplied the weapons ?
The money ?
Now something over a thousand dollars will help you get very far won't it ?

What I think you are talking about are a parcel of idiots at best.
Now as secret agents who "helped" or as you "believe" are in some way supportive of " Jews being guilty" of "911 involvement" - if these are the best that Mossad can put up they must be hard up beyond your wildest dreams.

Don't you think that "whoever" sent them out would want " the photographs back" and would not want them as "something photographed at a pop concert" ?
Don't draw attention to yourself would still seem important do you not think ?
And why would they want to "photograph it" , there would be thousands of feet of fim to be captured from the media and hundreds of jpegs to be captured from elsewhere.
This is a totally unnecessary risk and for what ?

Now if so guilty of being part of this crime what charges came against these three idiots?
Now you are going to tell em that the "ZOG" whoever they or that is got them off !!

Even at a superficial level this " evidence" is rubbish.
Its vital that you have to be able to believe this , as I said before ;
" Two horses standing side by side" .
Hysteria and misinformation.
Let me put it this way .....no way would I be content with calling a squad car I would have knuckled them myself.

http://web1.ami-admin.com/perl/trackimage.pl?I=58434&H=nationalenquirer%2Ecom&Image=http%3A%2F%2Fimages%2Eami%2Dadmin%2Ecom%2Fimages%2F43510%2Ejpg "Otto von Bismarck is a secret Mossad agent. I saw him having a power lunch with the Rothchilds." :222
Itz the Jews!
http://www.rense.com/general61/adl.htm
http://www.rense.com/general61/wedd.htm

Conspiracy-theorizing: Justin Raimondo, an Internet journalist who delivered Pat Buchanan's nominating speech at the Reform party convention in 2000, alleged in December 2001 that Israel was implicated in the terror attacks of 9/11: "Whether Israeli intelligence was watching, overseeing, collaborating with or combating the bin Ladenites is an open question. . . . That the Israelis had some significant foreknowledge and involvement in the events preceding 9/11 seems beyond dispute." Raimondo has also repeatedly dropped broad hints that he believes the October 2001 anthrax attacks were the work of an American Jewish scientist bent on stampeding the U.S. into war.

Ive seen how Rense and Rivero cranks in any #s ruin a site.

I'm vaguely familiar with this Rense character (and not ALL of his info is bad by any means, though much doesn't belong posted on this forum, I agree) but just who is Rivero, anyway?

http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/Chronicles/August2003/0803CIA.html

From the August 2003 issue of Chronicles:

CHRONICLES INTELLIGENCE ASSESSMENT

The Terror Enigma: Israel and the September 11 Connection
by Justin Raimondo


“Remember 9/11!” is the rallying cry of the War Party; what we are remembering, however, is a half-truth. It is time to draw the curtain on the largely ignored prehistory of September 11. Although Bush-administration officials deny that they had even a hint of what was to come, government agencies were literally awash with warnings from the intelligence services of other nations—including the British, the French, the Germans, the Russians, the Argentines, the Israelis, the Egyptians, the Moroccans, and the Jordanians.

The Israelis had warned us in August 2001, when they sent a delegation to Washington, handed over a list of 19 individuals in the United States whom they believed to be planning terrorist activities, and issued a nonspecific warning that a major terrorist attack was afoot. Yet there are indications that the Mossad knew about Muhammad Atta and his gang long before they let U.S. law enforcement in on the secret.

In the months before September 11, the Mossad had launched a major covert operation in the United States, involving hundreds of agents who not only kept a close watch on the terrorists but may have effectively blinded U.S. antiterrorism investigators to the activities of Al Qaeda in the United States. The evidence can be found in the U.S. government’s own documents, leaked by its own employees, and in its public pronouncements before the decision was made to quash this story at any cost.

In March 2001, the National Counterintelligence Center—whose mandate empowers it to identify and assess possible threats to U.S. national security—posted the following warning on its website:

In the past six weeks, employees in federal office buildings located throughout the United States have reported suspicious activities connected with individuals representing themselves as foreign students selling or delivering artwork. Employees have observed both males and females attempting to bypass facility security and enter federal buildings. If challenged, the individuals state that they are delivering artwork from a studio in Miami, Florida, called Universal Art, Inc, or that they are art students and are looking for opinions regarding their work. These individuals have been described as aggressive. They attempt to engage employees in conversation rather than giving a sales pitch.

The NCIC warned that “these individuals have also gone to the private residences of senior federal officials under the guise of selling art.” How they discovered the home addresses of these senior officials, the NCIC did not say. At that point, two of the “students” had been arrested for immigration violations: The suspects possessed counterfeit immigration papers and identification. Later, many more would be picked up—nearly 200—and summarily deported to their country of origin: Israel.

The NCIC alert was the earliest premonition, some six months before the event, of September 11. It was the first known instance—and possibly the last—in which the “antiterrorism” apparatus set up by the U.S. government actually worked, to some extent. The NCIC ended its warning with what turned out to be an accurate assessment of the threat:

Other reporting indicates that there may be two groups involved, and they refer to themselves as “Israeli art students.” One group has an apparently legitimate money-making goal while the second, perhaps a non-Israeli group, may have ties to a Middle Eastern Islamic fundamentalist group. Federal employees observing any activity similar to that described above should report their observations to appropriate security officials.

And report they did. Indeed, so many accounts of Israeli “art student” sightings poured in, from such a wide variety of federal agencies, that they were compiled in a secret government dossier. Their mode of operation was always the same: They would enter a U.S. federal facility, even some that were unmarked, and make their pitch, aggressively seeking entry through back doors and generally acting as if they were casing the joint. Since the nation’s frontline fighters in the “War on Drugs” had, for some reason, attracted the particular attention of these “art students,” this document, which only came to light after September 11, seems to have been compiled and written up by the internal security unit of the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA), in cooperation with the Immigration and Naturalization Service, sometime in summer 2001. (See “Suspicious Activities Involving Israeli Art Students.”)

The incidents had occurred “since at least the beginning of 2000” and increased in November: After April 2001, “the number of reported incidents . . . declined[;] however, the geographic spread of the incidents” was extended “to Wisconsin, Oklahoma, and Los Angeles.” In addition to visiting DEA offices, these “art students” also descended on a number of other law-enforcement and Department of Defense facilities across the continental United States. The majority of recorded incidents, however, seem to have occurred in the southern half of the country, with the epicenter of activity located in southern Florida. Investigators associated with the DEA’s Office of Security Programs apparently became convinced that, as the report put it:

The nature of the individuals’ conduct, combined with intelligence information and historical information regarding past incidents involving Israeli Organized Crime, leads us to believe the incidents may well be an organized intelligence gathering activity.

These were no ordinary Israeli “tourists,” as they claimed when confronted. While all Israelis must serve some time in the military, an unusually high proportion of these “students” were deployed in elite units. The DEA report lists name, rank, and serial number: Itay Simon, Marina Glickman, and Dilka Borenstein are all described as former members of Israeli military intelligence. Zeev Miller is identified as a “combat engineer,” and Ofir Navron is a “bomb disposal expert.” Aran Ofek, the son of a two-star Israeli general, was apprehended in Dallas. Taken together, their credentials are impressive: “intelligence officer,” “electronic intercept operator,” “special forces,” “demolition/explosive ordnance expert.”

A group of Israelis was picked up by the FBI after being spotted in Liberty State Park in Jersey City, New Jersey, laughing and high-fiving one another as the World Trade Center burned on the other side of the river. A story by Paulo Lima in the Bergen, New Jersey, Record (September 12, 2002) describes how five men—“Israeli tourists”—were picked up eight hours after the WTC attack, “carrying maps linking them to the blasts”:

[S]ources close to the investigation said they found other evidence linking the men to the bombing plot.

There are maps of the city in the car with certain places highlighted,” the source said. “It looked like they’re hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park.”

Lima reports that the five “tourists” had been picked up after local police received the following alert from the FBI:

Vehicle possibly related to New York terrorist attack. White, 2000 Chevrolet van with New Jersey registration with “Urban Moving Systems” sign on back seen at Liberty State Park, Jersey City, NJ, at the time of first impact of jetliner into World Trade Center. Three individuals with van were seen celebrating after initial impact and subsequent explosion. FBI Newark Field Office requests that, if the van is located, hold for prints and detain individuals.

These reports attracted little if any notice. Not long after, however, the whole operation began to surface in major media. On November 23, 2001, the Washington Post ran a story by John Mintz detailing how, along with the 1,000 or so Muslim Middle Easterners jailed in the Ashcroft sweep, 60 Israelis had been picked up and held, not just for routine visa violations, but in connection with the September 11 investigation. The Post’s subhead read: “Government calls Several Cases ‘of Special Interest,’ Meaning Related to Post-Attacks Investigation.”

According to Mintz’s account, INS officials in Cleveland and St. Louis testified in court that these Israelis were “of special interest to the government”—putting them in the same category as hundreds of mostly Arab men rounded up by the feds since the attacks.

Over the next eight or nine months, the rest of the story would come out, though it would be obscured by denials and submerged by an oddly indifferent media. “It is rather strange,” remarked Jane’s Defense Intelligence Digest (March 13, 2002), “that the US media seems to be ignoring what may well be the most explosive story since the 11 September attacks—the alleged break-up of a major Israeli espionage operation in the USA.” (The Post’s story blandly assured readers that the Israeli detainees were “observing a time-honored tradition in their country—touring the world after their mandatory service in the Israeli military,” although Mintz did note that “a number of them had served in counterterrorist units in Israel.”)

On December 11, 2001, Fox News ran the first in a series of investigative reports that blew the whistle on a vast Israeli spy network operating on American soil—and openly posed the question of whether the Israelis had foreknowledge of September 11. According to Jane’s, what is striking about Fox News reporter Carl Cameron’s portrait of Israel’s spy network in the U.S. is the sheer vastness of his subject. The broad scope of the operation, with its many fronts and activities conducted from coast to coast, had all the aspects of a major military campaign. In the months leading up to 9/11, Cameron claimed, Israel was waging a covert war against its principal ally and benefactor, the United States.

Over four nights, Cameron reported the myriad details of Israel’s far-flung underground army in the United States. He noted that some of the 60 detainees arrested in the wake of September 11 were active Israeli military officers. Some had failed polygraph tests when they were asked about “surveillance activities against and in the United States.”

Cameron showed how the Mossad had thoroughly penetrated top-secret communications systems. He cited veteran law-enforcement agents afraid for their jobs if they questioned Israel’s role. What really caught the attention of viewers, however, was the following statement from his first broadcast:

There is no indication that the Israelis were involved in the 9-11 attacks, but investigators suspect that the Israelis may have gathered intelligence about the attacks in advance, and not shared it. A highly placed investigator said there are—quote—“tie-ins.” But when asked for details, he flatly refused to describe them, saying—quote—“evidence linking these Israelis to 9-11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It’s classified information.”

Cameron’s bombshell should have provoked a frenzy of media interest and calls for an official investigation. That no such call was ever made is a story in itself.

In the first part of his report, Cameron focuses on a single aspect of a multilayered Israeli intelligence operation that became increasingly visible in the months preceding September 11:

Numerous classified documents obtained by Fox News indicate that even prior to September 11, as many as 140 other Israelis had been detained or arrested in a secretive and sprawling investigation into suspected espionage by Israelis in the United States. Investigators from numerous government agencies are part of a working group that’s been compiling evidence since the mid-90s. These documents detail hundreds of incidents in cities and towns across the country that investigators say—quote—“may well be an organized intelligence gathering activity.”

These documents included a 60-page report compiled by a number of federal agencies. In the gray, matter-of-fact bureaucratese so typical of a government document, the “Israeli Art Student Papers”—leaked some months later—confirmed Cameron’s contention that a nationwide underground apparatus of Israeli agents, centered in Florida and Texas, carried out extensive operations in the months leading up to September 11. Their targets included the DEA; the INS; the Federal Protective Service; the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms; the Federal Bureau of Investigation; a host of state and federal courthouses and other buildings; and military bases.

The leaked document describes in excruciating detail the doggedly persistent efforts of Israelis claiming to be “art students” to get into the offices and even the homes of federal law-enforcement agents and government officials.

A March 5, 2002, article in Le Monde by Sylvain Cypel was more specific: “More than a third of these ‘students’ claimed residence in Florida,” and “at least five were intercepted in Hollywood [Florida], and two in Fort Lauderdale.” Cypel points out the proximity of the two cities and reminds us that “at least 10 of the 19 terrorists of 9/11 were residing in Florida.” Hollywood, a town of some 25,000 souls, north of Miami, was a major nexus of Israel’s spy network and the Muslim terrorist cell responsible for September 11:

Four of the five members of the group that diverted American Airlines flight number 11—Mohammed Atta, Abdulaziz Al-Omari, Walid and Waïl Al-Shehri, as well as one of the five terrorists of United flight 175, Marwan Al-Shehhi—resided all at various times in . . . Hollywood, Florida. As for Ahmed Fayez, Ahmed and Hamza Al-Ghamdi and Mohand Al-Shehri, who took over United flight 75, like Saïd Al-Ghamdi, Ahmed Al-Haznawi and Ahmed Al-Nami, of United flight 93 which crashed September 11 in Pennsylvania, and Nawaq Al-Hamzi, of AA flight 77 (crashed into the Pentagon), they all at one time resided at Delray Beach, in the north of Fort Lauderdale.

The most logical assumption is that the Israelis were engaged in a large-scale intelligence-gathering operation on Islamic terrorist cells in the United States.

Another important piece of the puzzle is found in an October 14, 2002, article by Oliver Schröm in the German weekly Die Zeit. Schröm writes:

Not until after the attacks of September 11 did the consequences of the spy ring become clear. Apparently the agents were not interested in military or industrial facilities, but were shadowing a number of suspects, who were later involved in the terrorist attacks against the U.S. According to a report of the French intelligence agency that Die Zeit examined, “according to the FBI, Arab terrorists and suspected terror cells lived in Phoenix, Arizona, as well as in Miami and Hollywood, Florida from December 2000 to April 2001 in direct proximity to the Israeli spy cells.”

The Mossad was particularly interested in Muhammad Atta, the terrorist leader, and Marwan al-Shehi, who lived in Hollywood, Florida. Die Zeit reports that the Mossad was watching the terrorist leader and his chief accomplices very closely:

Everything indicates that the terrorists were constantly observed by the Israelis. The chief Israeli agent was staying right near the post office where the terrorists had a mailbox. The Mossad also had its sights on Atta’s accomplice Khalid al-Midhar, with whom the CIA was also familiar, but allowed to run free.

The title of the Die Zeit piece—“Next Door to Mohammed Atta”—may be a bit of an overstatement, however. As Schröm writes:

[Muhammad Atta and Marwan al-Shehi] lived in Hamburg before they settled in Hollywood, Florida[,] in order to plan the attacks. A Mossad team was also operating in the same town. The leader, Hanan Serfati, had rented several dwellings. “One of Serfati’s apartments was located on the corner of 701st St. and 21st Ave. [sic] in Hollywood, right near the apartment of Atta and al-Shehi,” French intelligence reported later.

There is just one problem: There is no 701st Street and 21stAvenue in Hollywood, Florida. Serfati’s rental was at 701 South 21st Street, about a half-mile from Atta’s 1818 Jackson Street address. Serfati rented several apartments in the area, however, and one could easily have been “next door to Mohammed Atta” and his confederates, who moved around quite a bit. In addition, the geographical congruity of the Israeli “art students” and the hijacking conspirators was not limited to South Florida, as John Sugg has pointed out in a March 20, 2002, piece for the Weekly Planet:

Many of the apparent operatives had set up shop at addresses only stones’ throws from Arabs in San Diego, Little Rock, Irving, Texas, and in South Florida. The Planet also has obtained a watch list of mostly Arabs under scrutiny by the U.S. government. The addresses of many correspond to the specific areas where the Israelis established bases.

While the Israelis were closely observing Atta and his friends, they did not inform the U.S. government what they were up to until August 2001: Der Spiegel reported (October 1, 2002) that they handed over a list of 19 terrorist suspects, with at least four of the hijackers on it, “a few weeks before” September 11, but the federal government says that the warning was for attacks “outside the United States.”

The warning was nonspecific, indicating only that these were potential terrorists. And there are other discrepancies thatcloud the picture of Israeli cooperation in this matter. If the Israelis had decided in August to come clean with the information they had, why were federal agents still arresting and detaining our “partners” in the “War on Terrorism” in late November and early December?

Discussing

(Stupid whore), video games, and great tv is better then discussing kook theories

Paris Hilton is a disgusting freak. Don't tell me her face isn't the product of a plastic surgery mishap; people don't have faces like that.

"Deadwood," on the other hand, is an excellent program. Any word on when season 2 premieres?

Google is a most wonderful application.
Within a second it can produce lots of information regarding the jews and 911 , its posted in the most neutral sites , as you can imagine.
David irving states in his "AR " that there is considerable internet debate about itthen he says "we have kept out of it".
My bottom , he then reproduces the junk , kept out of it. :rolleyes:

I think its on the internet beacuse no-one else will touch it , not because of Jewish control or "ZOG" , ( since found out what this means , a catch pohrase used by the brain dead) :D ,but simply beacuse its crap.
For a nation to have uncovered so much evidence against the jews being behind such an act of aggression the USA must be dumb and its people dumb to the bone to have re elected the man who let it all happen.

You neo net nazis need the Jews to be guilty , now live with it , it suits your needs.
Who in their right mind posted this thread as a history subject.
Fade , start a dirty toilet section , this one belongs there.
Bullshit and crap of the first order.Last word !
PS Not "running away" as "R******d" might say but enough is enough.

For a nation to have uncovered so much evidence against the jews being behind such an act of aggression the USA must be dumb and its people dumb to the bone to have re elected the man who let it all happen.


Now we are getting somewhere. :D And I think we can all agree that George W. is not the sharpest knife in the drawer, either.

I think we can all agree that George W. is not the sharpest knife in the drawer, either.

Its difficult to say. A man who is going to constantly deny the self-evident truth, in favor of a ludicrous set of tissue-thin lies, probably isn't going to seem very bright. He might simply be a clever liar, however. I think Bush is an ignorant man with a high IQ, even though he does appear on the surface to be a run-of-the-mill lunkhead.

Its difficult to say. A man who is going to constantly deny the self-evident truth, in favor of a ludicrous set of tissue-thin lies, probably isn't going to seem very bright. He might simply be a clever liar, however. I think Bush is an ignorant man with a high IQ, even though he does appear on the surface to be a run-of-the-mill lunkhead.


I think Bush Jr. is suffering from the effects of his excessive amounts of alcohol and cocaine abuse in his younger years. In this way, I think if he was actually given an IQ test, the results would be similar to the results of someone like Ozzy Ozbourne. :eek: :D

Just got this off of Rense.com :)
German Engineers Analyze 911 - Say Bush Is Lying
http://home.debitel.net/user/andreas.bunkahle/defaulte.htm

Terror Enigma: 9/11 And the Israeli Connection
by Justin Raimondo
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0595296823/

You neo net nazis need the Jews to be guilty , now live with it , it suits your needs.

If you are referring to me as one of these "neo net nazis" tell me, why do I need the Jews to be guilty of this?

I am so sorry that I do not live in your naive world where I believe everything that I see on tv, and never feel the need to question anything that does not fit with what I am "told" to believe. If that, alone, makes me a crazy conspiracy theorist, then so be it.