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Sarah
12-22-2004, 12:38 AM
swissinfo December 20, 2004 6:13 PM

Around 30,000 women in Switzerland have converted to Islam, according to a recent report by an organisation for Muslim women.

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Monica Nur Sammour-Wüst converted to Islam in 1992

In an interview with swissinfo, Monica Nur Sammour-Wüst, one of those to have made the switch, speaks about her beliefs and her life as a Muslim in Switzerland.

Although raised as a Protestant, 35-year-old Nur Sammour-Wüst feels she has always been a Muslim.

She converted to Islam over a decade ago and looks back to an event in Sunday school as a harbinger of the change that was to come.

“The teacher told us that God sees and hears everything, but that he sent his son Jesus as an intermediary to the world,” she recalls.

“I went home and told my mother that if God sees and hears everything, I don’t need a mediator.”

“Now, as a Muslim, if I pray for help, I pray directly,” says Nur Sammour-Wüst. “Direct communication with God is a basic tenet of Islam.”

Fear of death

In 1991, at the age of 22, she met and married her first husband, a Lebanese.

“During that time I was always asking myself questions, especially about death. I didn’t find the answers I sought in Christianity – there, death is a taboo subject.”

Her husband, on the other hand, who had lived through war, did not understand the Western fear of death – although, like her, he was only 22.

“For him, everything was clear, because in Islam death is clearly defined,” she says.

“I started to learn more about Islam, and at one point suddenly I knew. I already believed in God, in the prophets, in the angels, in predestination, in resurrection. I was already Muslim, I just had never realised it. In 1992 I officially converted.”

After her first husband died in a car accident, Nur Sammour-Wüst remarried – again to a Lebanese. But after six years they divorced.

Muslim family

Now a single mother, she is raising her son and two daughters as Muslims.

“I am responsible for them – also religiously – until they are 18 years old,” she says. “At home we live and practise Islam, and the children accept it. I think it’s normal for them.”

And should one of her children no longer want anything to do with Islam?

“My most fervent wish to God is that this does not happen. It would be awful for me, because to me Islam is a way of life. It is not like a shirt that you simply change.”

Still, she feels religion and belief cannot be forced on anyone. “If, in the worst case, a child no longer wants anything to do with Islam, then upon reaching adulthood he or she must take responsibility for that decision.”

No exception

A common preconception is that Muslim women sit at home and are not allowed to go out in public. Nur Sammour-Wüst, who leads an active life, denies she is an exception because she is Swiss.

“In the time of the prophet Mohammed, 1,400 years ago, women were politically and intellectually active. The notion of house-bound women tied to the stove is patriarchal, not religious.”

According to Nur Sammour-Wüst, Muslim women in Switzerland often complain that they face more problems than their Swiss counterparts who have converted to Islam.

She puts much of this down to a failure to learn the language.

“They absolutely have to learn German,” she says. “The prophet Mohammed also said that when you live somewhere, learn the language that the people speak so you can communicate.”

“In my view, if Muslim women live in Switzerland, they should be able to speak the language. If they learn German, constructive discussions can take place.”

swissinfo (http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=107&sid=5416761)

Lenny
12-22-2004, 01:13 AM
Allow me to counter your pro-Islamic propaganda with a dose of reality:


Islam in Fast Demise
By Ali Sina

Hitler said if a lie is repeated often enough and long enough, it would come to be perceived as truth. One such lie often repeated is Islam is the fastest growing religion.

Despite the fact that Muslims by virtue of being poor and uneducated are much more reproductive than others, Islam as a religion is not growing but dying fast.

More and more Muslims are discovering that the violence evinced by some of their coreligionists is not an aberration but is inspired by the teachings of the Quran and the examples set by its author. Muslims are becoming disillusioned with Islam. They find out that the mechanistic ritual of praying five times per day, reciting verses that they do not understand and indeed mean nothing, getting up at taxing hours of the morning and abstaining from food and water until the sunset are not means to becoming more spiritual but are instruments to control their mind. These enlightened Muslims no more heed to the fear mongering verses of the Quran that threaten to burn them and roast them in the fires of hell if they dare to think and question the validity of that book.

Every day thousands of Muslim intellectuals are leaving Islam. They find Islam inconsistent with science, logics, human rights and ethics. Millions of Iranians already have left Islam. The enlightened Muslims of other nationalities are not far behind. This is the beginning of a mass exodus from Islam. It is a movement that is already in motion and nothing can stop it.

However the exodus from Islam is not reserved to the intellectuals but also the average Muslims are finding that Islam is not the way to God but to ignorance, poverty and wars. They are leaving Islam to embrace other religions especially Christianity.

Perhaps it is best to listen to the truth coming from the mouth of the horse. The Internet site aljazeera.net published an interview with Ahmad Al Qataani, an important Islamic cleric, who said: In every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity. Everyday, 16,000 Muslims convert to Christianity. Ever year, 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity."

What Muslims say among each other, is not the same thing that they say for the consumption of the Westerners.

These are huge numbers. If this trend continues we can expect to see Islam become insignificant in Africa in just a few decades. This is good news for those who are concerned about the on going slavery in Africa and the prospects of war and genocide.

(more)


the full story is here: http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina31103.htm

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On a personal level, I can tell you that the above story is true. I used to work with a guy from the Sudan who came to America a few years ago. When he first got here he was a Muslim, but now that he's been here some time, he has thrown off the shackles of Islam and has become a Christian. He's only 19 now, and he has a bright future now that he has liberted himself from that false fanatical religion. He is a black Sudanese, and he told me that Arabs in Sudan are the most racist people in the world, so that no doubt contributed to his "apostasy" from Mohammedism. That also smashes the lie that Islam is a religion of tolerance, another lie the Islam-propagandists like to peddle

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bardamu
12-22-2004, 03:14 AM
Muslims should be run out of western lands at the point of a bayonet, and this includes formerly Swiss beauty queens.

starr
12-22-2004, 06:12 AM
Muslims should be run out of western lands at the point of a bayonet, and this includes formerly Swiss beauty queens.


I agree that they should not be in our lands, and by the same token we should not be in theirs.

otto_von_bismarck
12-22-2004, 06:22 AM
A convert to Islam is worse then someone born into it, unless its a marriage thing it means they believe in all the crap. It should be treated as high treason...

Niccolo and Donkey
12-22-2004, 10:55 AM
This article is crap considering that many of these so-called conversions are the result of Swiss women marrying Albanians or Turks who pay them to stay married for the necessary 5 year period so that these guys can get their papers to stay in country.

CONSTANTINVS MAXIMVS
12-22-2004, 11:41 AM
Filthy whores.

Niccolo and Donkey
12-22-2004, 11:46 AM
Filthy whores.

right-o

CONSTANTINVS MAXIMVS
12-22-2004, 11:47 AM
Hey Niccolo, you're in Switzerland now. perhaps you can marry a negress for cash so she can live there. :D

Niccolo and Donkey
12-22-2004, 11:52 AM
Hey Niccolo, you're in Switzerland now. perhaps you can marry a negress for cash so she can live there. :D

Itd have to be LeBron James type of cash :)

CONSTANTINVS MAXIMVS
12-22-2004, 11:53 AM
Itd have to be LeBron James type of cash :)
Aww, don't be a playah hatah. The darker the berry, the sweeter the juice. Just remember to wash your fruit before eating it.

Niccolo and Donkey
12-22-2004, 11:56 AM
Aww, don't be a playah hatah. The darker the berry, the sweeter the juice. Just remember to wash your fruit before eating it.

Wait until Edana reads this comment.

bardamu
12-22-2004, 01:02 PM
I agree that they should not be in our lands, and by the same token we should not be in theirs.

Of course.

Petr
12-22-2004, 03:44 PM
- "Allow me to counter your pro-Islamic propaganda with a dose of reality:"


Lenny is on the right track on this one - Muslim organizations are famous for brazenly exaggerating their missionary successes.

I can give you an another link to counter this phony Islamic triumphalism, from a Christian perspective:


Muslims leaving Islam - Tip of the Iceberg

Islam is in a shambles.

Muslims are fleeing from Islam to secular life, and many are coming
to faith in The Lord Jesus Christ.

Some sites below are profane. They are here to show how Islam is being Paganized and secularized by sodomy, rampant lust, and secularization.

It is about time that Chick Publications, Robert Morey, and other alleged
experts on Islam reverse their stupid claims about Islam being a growing religion.

We have been saying that Islam is dying for ten years.

May I say, "I told you so."

Editor: Steve Van Nattan


http://www.blessedquietness.com/alhaj/append-19.htm


Petr

otto_von_bismarck
12-22-2004, 04:09 PM
What geographical region is losing Islamic adherants? Probably not the hardcore arab ones that all the terrorist come from...

Lenny
12-22-2004, 05:06 PM
What geographical region is losing Islamic adherants? Probably not the hardcore arab ones that all the terrorist come from...Africa is where the biggest exodus from Islam is going on. Every year millions of Africans leave Islam, and...

...If this trend continues we can expect to see Islam become insignificant in Africa in just a few decades. This is good news for those who are concerned about the ongoing slavery in Africa and the prospects of war and genocide. (originally from article)

robinder
12-22-2004, 05:08 PM
Are those African Muslims becoming Christians?

otto_von_bismarck
12-22-2004, 05:17 PM
Africa is where the biggest exodus from Islam is going on. Every year millions of Africans leave Islam

Does this include North Africa... sorry to rain on the parade but while this is good news its not the same as the Middle East losing adherants to the death cult of the moon god.

Until that region is converted to something else we still have a big terrorist problem.

Lenny
12-22-2004, 05:55 PM
Are those African Muslims becoming Christians?Yes, the vast majority are, according to the news stories

Does this include North Africa?I think it's only Subsaharan Africa (i.e. black people)

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Sarah
12-23-2004, 11:45 AM
This article is crap considering that many of these so-called conversions are the result of Swiss women marrying Albanians or Turks who pay them to stay married for the necessary 5 year period so that these guys can get their papers to stay in country.

If so they are wasting their time in this effort. Christian or Jewish women don't need to convert to Islam in order to marry Muslim men.

Niccolo and Donkey
12-23-2004, 11:50 AM
If so they are wasting their time in this effort. Christian or Jewish women don't need to convert to Islam in order to marry Muslim men.

This is correct.

I chalk it up to Stockholm Syndrome.

Sarah
12-23-2004, 11:53 AM
Muslims are fleeing from Islam to secular life, and many are coming to faith in The Lord Jesus Christ.

Uhh, Muslims do believe in Jesus, just not that he is the "son of God," a claim which most rational people reject.

Islam is theologically superior to Christianity (paganized Jew worship), even Johann Wolfgang von Goethe agrees (http://www.themodernreligion.com/convert/convert_goethe.htm).

CONSTANTINVS MAXIMVS
12-23-2004, 11:57 AM
Islam is theologically superior to Christianity (paganized Jew worship), even Johann Wolfgang von Goethe agrees.

Then go live in muslim Arabia instead of Christian Europe, or shut your hypocritical mouth.

Niccolo and Donkey
12-23-2004, 12:09 PM
Uhh, Muslims do believe in Jesus, just not that he is the "son of God," a claim which most rational people reject.

Islam is theologically superior to Christianity (paganized Jew worship), even Johann Wolfgang von Goethe agrees (http://www.themodernreligion.com/convert/convert_goethe.htm).

Theologically superior?

ROFL

My favourite is how the Quran cant even get its science right.

Islam is much closer to Judaism than Christianity.

Ebusitanus
12-23-2004, 12:11 PM
Lets just burn that hertical heathen witch instead Stan :D

Niccolo and Donkey
12-23-2004, 12:11 PM
Uhh, Muslims do believe in Jesus, just not that he is the "son of God," a claim which most rational people reject.

Islam is theologically superior to Christianity (paganized Jew worship), even Johann Wolfgang von Goethe agrees (http://www.themodernreligion.com/convert/convert_goethe.htm).

That article on Goethe deserves an LMAO.

Niccolo and Donkey
12-23-2004, 12:12 PM
Lets just burn that hertical heathen witch instead Stan :D

Don Ebus,

read the article that Sarah linked to so that you can see how he mentions the darkness that settled upon Islamic Spain.

otto_von_bismarck
12-23-2004, 02:43 PM
Theologically superior?

ROFL

My favourite is how the Quran cant even get its science right.


Stars are Allah trying to destroy the Jinn trying to listen in on him man, do u agree?

Lenny
12-23-2004, 02:45 PM
I don't understand why Sarah wants to propagandize in favor of the enemy and why she hates Christianity and the West so much. I find this to be the most repulsive thing that I've read here in a long time.

Maybe this "Sarah" is in fact a Muslim, that would definitely explain a lot. Or more likely she's just another miserable self-hating Westerner like the "We love Michael Moore" crowd
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CONSTANTINVS MAXIMVS
12-23-2004, 03:54 PM
Lets just burn that hertical heathen witch instead Stan :D
Let's.