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Rachel
07-10-2004, 06:01 AM
Jewish involvement in Christianity & the Roman Empire

Adolf Hitler 19th October 1941

“Christianity is a prototype of Bolshevism, the mobilization by the Jew of the masses of slaves with the object of undermining society. Thus one understands that the healthy elements of the Roman world were proof against this doctrine.

Adolf Hitler 21st October 1941

Original Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism the destroyer. Nevertheless, the Galilean who later must be regarded as a popular leader who took up his position against Jewry. Galilee was a colony where the Romans had probably installed Gallic legionaries, and it’s certain that Jesus was not a Jew. The Jews by the way, regarded him as the son of a whore – of a whore and a Roman solider.

The decisive falsification of Jesus’s doctrine was the work of St. Paul (Paul of Tarsus). He gave himself to this work with subtlety and for purpose of personal exploitation. For the Galilean’s (Christ) object was to liberate his country from Jewish oppression. He set himself against Jewish Capitalism, and that’s why the Jews liquidated him.

It’s since St. Paul’s time that the Jews have manifested themselves as a religious community. St. Paul was the first man to take account the possible advantages of using a religion as a means of propaganda. If the Jews has succeeded in destroying the Roman Empire, that’s because St. Paul transformed a local movement of Aryan opposition to Jewry into a supra – temporal religion, which postulates the equality of all men amongst themselves, and their obedience to an only god. That is what caused the death of the Roman Empire.

Paul of Tarsus was one who persecuted Jesus most savagely. When he learnt that Jesus’s supporters let their throats be cut for His ideas, it would be possible to overthrow this Roman State, which the Jews hated. It’s in the context that we must understand this famous “illumination”. Think of it, the Romans were daring to confiscate the most sacred thing the Jews possessed, the gold piled up in their temples! At that time, as now, money was their god.

St. Paul discovered that he could succeed in ruining the Roman state by causing the principle to triumph of the equality of all men before a single god – and by putting beyond the reach of laws his private notions, which he alleged to be divinely inspired. If into the bargain, one succeeded in imposing one man as the representative on earth, the only God, that man would possess boundless power.

The ancient world had their gods and served them. But the priests interposed between the gods, and men were servants of the state, for the gods protected the City. In short they were the emanation of a power that the people had created. For that society, the idea that of an only god was unthinkable. In this sphere, the Romans were tolerance itself. The idea of a universal god could seem to them only a mild form of madness – for, in three people fight one another, each invoking the same god, this means that, and any rate, two of them are praying in vain.

It’s striking to observe that Christian ideas, despite all St. Paul’s efforts, had no success in Athens. The philosophy of the Greeks was so much superior to this poverty-stricken rubbish that the Athenians burst out laughing when they listened to the apostle’s teaching. But Rome St. Paul found the ground prepared for him. His egalitarian theories had what was needed to win over a mass composed of innumerable uprooted people.

~ Many freed Roman slaves or prisoners of war became citizens and took fondly to the ideas Christianity proposed.

Whilst Roman society proved hostile to the new doctrine, Christianity in its pure state stirred the population to revolt. Rome was Bolshevism, and Bolshevism produced exactly the same result in Rome and later Russia.

Zoroaster
07-10-2004, 09:38 AM
Outstanding post:

Great truth, the strongest of all, is short and simple.

Perun
07-10-2004, 02:44 PM
LMAO! I've never heard such rubbish!

Interesting Christianity, especially St. Paul, was a Jewish conspiracy when it was Paul who was the most responsible in turning Christianity against the Jews even more and Europeanizing the faith. By 57 AD, most Christians were Gentiles and by the second century Jewish membership is nonexistant in the church. So much of what you wrote is pure nonsense and fails to meet up to TRUE historical inquire.

If Paul designed Christianity to be for the benifit of the Jews, the plan clearly backfired, for Christianity became the biggest force of persecution of the Jews. Even Rosenberg in his Mythus admitted that Jewish hatred for Christianity was a main reason for the Jews' contempt for European culture.

cosmocreator
07-10-2004, 07:12 PM
Christianity was and is a foreign mentality to anything European at the time it was created.

NeoNietzsche
07-10-2004, 09:02 PM
LMAO! I've never heard such rubbish!
Because you were evidently reading another essay:

Interesting [that] Christianity, especially [as regards] St. Paul, was [allegedly] a Jewish conspiracy when it was Paul who was the most responsible in turning Christianity against the Jews even more and Europeanizing the faith.
It was not claimed that Christianity was a Jewish conspiracy. And Paul did not Europeanize Judaism, rather, he Judaized the mystery-cultism of the gentiles with Messianic expectations, to which John added an Apocalypse. That Christianity was detached from and turned against Jewish authority was the price of bringing down Rome with a revolutionary, anti-authoritarian, egalitarian communist doctrine, put into practice by the earliest Paulinists and constantly requiring reproof as to the impulse to commission of suicidally overt acts against the "bearer of the sword".

By 57 AD, most Christians were Gentiles and by the second century Jewish membership is nonexist[e]nt in the church. So much of what you wrote is pure nonsense and fails to meet up to TRUE historical inquir[y].
This, again, is to contradict nothing that was claimed. Paul, alone, is charged with converting Aryans and the alienated to the cause.

If Paul designed Christianity to be for the ben[e]fit of the Jews, the plan clearly backfired, for Christianity became the biggest force of persecution of the Jews. Even Rosenberg in his Mythus admitted that Jewish hatred for Christianity was a main reason for the Jews' contempt for European culture.
It was not claimed that Christianity was to be for the benefit of the Jews in other than destroying the enemy, Rome - for which victory, presumably, sacrifices had to be made.

Rachel
07-10-2004, 11:42 PM
Europeans whom practiced their true organic pagan faiths were persecuted and slaughtered by the thousands in the name of Christianity. Such as the butcher of 4,500 unarmed Wotanist by Charlemagne and his Christian army. The British Ilse are still paying the price for Roman imperialism and the English church.

Gentiles have always been second best to "God’s chosen people". No religion that preaches ultra equality, brotherhood, cowardice and the existence of one god over all subjects could possibly be racially or morally healthy.

"Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not
have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in
human form, and commanded to serve the Jew day and night". - Midrasch
Talpioth, p225-L

Perun
07-11-2004, 05:24 PM
Because you were evidently reading another essay:

No I read the exact essay as above.


And Paul did not Europeanize Judaism,

Of course he didnt, he Europeanized Christianity(or made it more European). Nice try NN.

This, again, is to contradict nothing that was claimed. Paul, alone, is charged with converting Aryans and the alienated to the cause.

Yes and why did people convert to Christianity?

"Christianity was attractive to many because it gave the Roman world a cause. Hellenistic philosophy had attempted to make men and women self-sufficient: people who became indifferent to the outside world could no longer be hurt by it, That goal alone ruled out any cause except the attainment of serenity. The Romans, who were never innovators in philosophy, merely elaborated this lonely and austere message. Instead of passivity Christianity stressed the ideal of striving for a goal."
--A History of World Societies John P. McKay, Bennet D. Hill, John Buckler pg. 251

That Christianity was detached from and turned against Jewish authority was the price of bringing down Rome with a revolutionary, anti-authoritarian, egalitarian communist doctrine, put into practice by the earliest Paulinists and constantly requiring reproof as to the impulse to commission of suicidally overt acts against the "bearer of the sword".

WTF are you talking about? Christianity did not bring down Rome. This theory has long been refuted and rejected by historians and scholars. Indeed I even posted some quotes from such scholars, to which you resorted to white horsing in order to get your view across.

As for your typical nonsense of an "anti-authoritarian, egalitarian communist doctrine", I dont know how many times me and Petr have refuted that nonsense. Indeed I remember our discussion and basically according to you any kind of opposition or disgust with the status quo automatically made somebody a communist. Yet you say nothing about the cynics or the stoics, who centuries before the birth of Christ preached universalistic teachings.


It was not claimed that Christianity was to be for the benefit of the Jews in other than destroying the enemy, Rome - for which victory, presumably, sacrifices had to be made.

LOL! You have yet to prove Christianity destroyed Rome. Indeed who was mainly responsible for the survival of the Jews in the Roman world? It certainly was not the Church, for it was the church that called for the blood of the Jews. Then who was it?

"Paradoxically, the very same Rome that was now bent on crushing the Jews was largely responsible for their survival. However Christian the empire may have become, it never quite eradicated many of the legacies of its Latin past. Paramount among these was the Roman reference for law and precedent, which dictated the right of the Jews to live as Jews with their own judges, teachers, and institutions."
--John A. Garraty, Peter Gay The Columbia History of the World pg.432

Perun
07-11-2004, 05:36 PM
Europeans whom practiced their true organic pagan faiths were persecuted and slaughtered by the thousands in the name of Christianity. Such as the butcher of 4,500 unarmed Wotanist by Charlemagne and his Christian army.

ROTFL! What? Charlamenge started his campaign AFTER the pagans started burning down churches and killing priests. Nice try Rachel!

Just like how NN tries to protray the Cathars as poor innoncent victims, when it was their terrorist acts against Church officials that initiated the crusade against them. BTW, I do wonder if NN knew he was defending a herectical sect that promoted feminism and race-mixing. Stephen O’Shea documents in his book The Perfect Heresy: The Revolutionary Life and Death of the Medieval Cathars how they preached the equality of men and women, and also taught that God didnt care if one intermarried with Jews or Arab muslims.


Gentiles have always been second best to "God’s chosen people".

Do you have proof of this?


No religion that preaches ultra equality

Christianity doesnt preach that!


, brotherhood,

Brotherhood is what any geniune community is based upon. Oh no we cant have that!


cowardice

LOL! Please point to me where Christianity teaches that. I'd love to hear this. Christianity is a religion of heroism and self-sacrifice.


and the existence of one god over all subjects could possibly be racially or morally healthy.

LOL I'm just reading Adrian Hasting's book on nationalism and how Christianity was the major influential force in its development in Europe. Indeed in many regions of Europe Christianity was the driving force towards national unity. Pagan societies were often characterised by tribal rivalries. Like in Ancient Greece, one was a Spartan or Athenian before they were a Greek. Christianity changed that, and Europe's people began following the example of the 12 tribes of Israel uniting to form a nation. This happened with the vikings, were Christianity helped lead to the formation of more unified kingdoms that lead the way to the modern nation-states of the region. It happened in Russia, where Christianity was the leading force in unifying the Rus.

Not only that, Christianity was a major force in unifying the European continent against its common foes: Mongols, Arabs, etc. Indeed it was the coming of Christianity that the notion of a single entity called Europe first emerges. A Roman or Greek had more in common with an Egyptian than with a Germanic or Celt. Christianity changed that.


"Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not
have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in
human form, and commanded to serve the Jew day and night". - Midrasch
Talpioth, p225-L

Yeah that Judaism, not Christianity. The two are not the same as any acclaimed religious scholar will admit!