Anyone ever attend one of these strange ceremonies? Non-Khazars are required to put on those ridiculous beanies and Khazars wear the beanies and a special scarf to identify them as Khazars. The Khazar Rabbi is sure to stress how "they" were different and that people wanted to get rid of them throughout history. This is probably one reason many of them are so paranoid; cult-like brainwashing. :jew:

I was at one once but only saw the last five minutes of the scroll reading ceremony because I got there way late, I was at the post party.

I didn't have to wear any beanie.

The Khazar Rabbi is sure to stress how "they" were different and that people wanted to get rid of them throughout history. This is probably one reason many of them are so paranoid; cult-like brainwashing. :jew:

LoL, most likely. They'd get that message throughout childhood, which would explain why even atheist Jews have that "different, persecuted tribe" mentality, even though it makes no logical sense to identify as a seperate people who were chosen by God when they don't believe in God.

Modern Ashkenazic Jews are not descendants of the Khazars, and the beanies are called yarmalkas.

Carrigan, I base my characterization on Arthur Koestler's The Thirteenth Tribe. But then again he referred to Polish historians who wrote that "in early times the main bulk originated from the Khazar country." The Ashkenazim are generally considered to be descendents of the Khazars while the Sephardim are considered to possibly be decendents of one or more tribes of Ancient Israel. Also, the students in my classes who wore the beanies at during their religious events referred to them as "yamicas."

The Khazar Rabbi actually joked when several struggled to put the scroll behind the curtain after what appeared to be an idol worship ceremony, "How many Jews does it take to put a scroll away?" There was a light bulb joke in there somewhere.

It is too bad Reform branches of their religion did not have sufficient influence to stop the nationalism of Zionism in the mid-1800's, and this ridiculous "mitzvah" confirmation ritual which they apparently tried to do at various times.

- "Carrigan, I base my characterization on Arthur Koestler's The Thirteenth Tribe. But then again he referred to Polish historians who wrote that "in early times the main bulk originated from the Khazar country.""


John Rocker, if you're interested to find out more about the Khazar origin of Ashkenazim, check out this thread on the Original Dissent forum:

"The Khazar Theory ... Only a Theory?"

Check out how many common Ashkenazi surnames are also Turkish surnames!

http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13415&highlight=khazars


Petr

- "Modern Ashkenazic Jews are not descendants of the Khazars, and the beanies are called yarmalkas."


What do you know, yarmulkas themselves are proofs of the Khazar origin Ashkenazim- the word "yarmulka" is of Turkic origin, and even to this day, Islamic Turkic Uzbeks wear similar head-coverings.

In Turkish "yagmurluk" means "cover from rain" ("yagmur" is "rain"). In some Turkish languages the word is pronounced as "yamgurluk" -- with a very soft "g".


"It is argued by Alice Faber and Robert King in a 1984 paper ("Yiddish and the Settlement History of Ashkenazic Jews", Mankind Quarterly 24 (1984): 393-425) that no Turkic words exist in the Yiddish language. This, too, is a false assumption. Herbert Zeiden has identified at least a few Yiddish words of Turkic origin, though it is not certain that they came from the Khazars. One is yarmulka, meaning "skullcap". Another is the important word davenen, meaning "to pray". The root daven is very similar in meaning and form to the Turkic root tabun, meaning "to pray", in Kipchak Turkic. Attempts by other linguists to find davenen's root in French, Hebrew, Greek, Arabic, or another language have not been convincing so far. Zeiden's article on "Davenen: A Turkic Etymology" appeared in the Queens College journal Yiddish 10:2-3 (1996) on pages 96-99. His follow-up article "Khazar/Kipchak Turkisms in Yiddish: Words and Surnames" appeared in Yiddish 11:1-2 (1998) on pages 81-92.

http://www.khazaria.com/khazar-diaspora.html


Petr

- "It is too bad Reform branches of their religion did not have sufficient influence to stop the nationalism of Zionism in the mid-1800's, and this ridiculous "mitzvah" confirmation ritual which they apparently tried to do at various times."


Actually, according to Israel Shahak, the "Bar Mitzvah" cremony was precisely an invention of early Reform Jews, bitterly opposed by the Orthodox:


"During 1848, when the regime's power was temporarily weakened, the first thing the leaders of the Jewish community in the Galician city of Lemberg (now Lvov) did with their newly regained freedom was to poison the liberal rabbi of the city, whom the tiny non-Orthodox Jewish group in the city had imported from Germany. One of his greatest heresies, by the way, was the advocacy and actual performance of the Bar Mitzvah ceremony, which had recently been invented."

http://abbc.net/islam/english/books/jewhis/jewhis2.htm


Petr