LOL this is funny.

http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/04/09/NZ_bigots_180904_homo.html

HOLOCAUST denial "historian" and anti-Semite David Irving has been denied access to New Zealand, but is trying to attract attention through a cheap immigration stunt. Should the New Zealand LGBT [Website note: presumably Lesbian-Gay-Bugger-Transvestite] community be concerned about this creep?


Irving belongs to a subspecies of anti-Semite that is all too familiar to us. Like Paul Cameron and other antigay junk scientists, Irving is a junk 'historian.' In a fit of hubris, he brought a defamation case (http://www.fpp.co.uk/Legal/Penguin/index.html) against Deborah Lipstadt, a prominent Jewish Holocaust historian, and Penguin Books, her publishers. Lipstadt argued that Irving distorted the historial record with ulterior ideological motives related to his neofascist political views. Lipstadt and Penguin were ably assisted by many eminent Second World War and Holocaust historians. Not only did Irving lose his case, Lipstadt and Penguin were awarded two and a half million pounds damages against him [no they weren't]. Unfortunately, New Zealand media didn't cover the case in sufficient depth.

Sound familiar? It's what those of us who monitor the Christian Right's antigay contingent have done to them in numerous regulatory fora, parliamentary submissions and our own media. Is this debate really about 'free speech,' or is that a brown herring?

Consulting Index New Zealand and EBSCO, I found little evidence that New Zealand journalists have paid adequate attention to New Zealand's extreme right. North and South's David McLoughlin wrote an excellent detailed piece eleven years ago on New Zealand's largest neofascist group, the League of Rights. It should be noted this organisation also distributes the work of Paul Cameron and (oddly) Judith Reisman (an antigay US Orthodox Jewish 'social scientist' and anti-Kinsey obsessive), as well as David Irving. However, since then, there has been almost complete silence, even at the time of the Irving/Lipstadt case noted above in Spring 2000. Why? Penguin Books has had a transcript of the trial (http://www.fpp.co.uk/Legal/Penguin/transcripts/index.html) available in book form for the last four years. [No they haven't. It is the Judgment] Why haven't New Zealand journalists bothered to consult this relevant source to the current debate? This is an appalling dereliction of professional responsibility.

I agree with the New Zealand Jewish community, immigration authorities and Prime Minister on this issue.

David Irving has been exposed as a charlatan, neofascist activist and apologist whose work is held in low regard by serious historians within the field of Holocaust studies. However, the New Zealand Jewish community needs to explain to the rest of the country why they oppose this odious individual's presence in New Zealand.

Irving's exclusion is not a 'free speech' issue, nor is it an uncomplicated instance of 'hate speech'. Irving is a junk historian. He distorted the grisly record of Nazi Germany and the Holocaust to promote a neofascist agenda through mitigation of its atrocities and devastation.

The New Zealand Jewish Council should expose this sorry specimen's absence of professional ethics, academic standards and professional credibility after the Lipstadt/Irving case. New Zealand journalists need to ask themselves some serious questions about the glaring absence of investigative journalism related to this issue. There is no excuse for this laziness within the fourth estate, which is supposed to promote political transparency and balanced, informed debate within a democratic society. For the New Zealand lesbian and gay community, there's an interesting aside to all this. You see, David Irving and Paul Cameron were both guests of the Canadian League of Rights in the early nineties. Neofascist anti-Semitic junk 'history,' meet homophobic junk 'science.' It is worth wondering whether Cameron shares certain other views of his hosts than homophobia alone.

David Irving has been exposed as a charlatan, neofascist activist and apologist whose work is held in low regard by serious historians within the field of Holocaust studies

Huh? David Irving has never written about the holocau$t.

Irving's tome, Hitler's War was a fascinating historical recounting of the War. His revelation that the Final Solution was merely relocating the juden to Madgascar was groundbreaking, at the time, for a mainstream text.

David Irving has been exposed as a charlatan, neofascist activist and apologist whose work is held in low regard by serious historians within the field of Holocaust studies.

What aggravates and inflames me isn't that the above is a pack of lies.

It's that there isn't a media outlet in - you'll pardon the phrase - "Christendom" who would ever publish/broadcast the opposing point of view (or even a neutral one!) under pain of death.

Irving is a junk historian.

Sure, that's why every last 20th-century military historian is in his debt for unearthing and bringing to light hundreds upon hundreds of original source documents germane if not essential to understanding the conflict - because he's a junk historian. At least, now ....now that his research is widely available to even those 'historians' who begin with a conclusion and work backwards from there....he's allofasudden a junk historian. This is probably why houses like St Martin's paid him those large advances and sank further $ into publicity and advertising, and why The Military Book Club routinely gave Irving's books featured-selection status...because he's a third-rater who makes stuff up just so he can stick it to Hymie.

Hey, don't take my word for it. Just ask the New Zealand LGBT! I mean, whenever I have a question about Goebbels or Speer, I always write it down on a slip of paper, rubberband it around my pecker, walk into a New Zealand gay bar, and slip my johnson into one of the holes drilled into the men's room wall.

Seriously, if one is going to believe a charlatan like David Irving, then there's no telling what monstrous lie (homosexuality causes AIDS; illiterate, predatory blacks are NOT your moral and intellectual superiors; Jews control the media wherever whites reside) one might fall for next.

I mean, whenever I have a question about Goebbels or Speer, I always write it down on a slip of paper, rubberband it around my pecker, walk into a New Zealand gay bar, and slip my johnson into one of the holes drilled into the men's room wall.

Well, at least we know how you became so well educated.

WM

Hey, don't take my word for it. Just ask the New Zealand LGBT! I mean, whenever I have a question about Goebbels or Speer, I always write it down on a slip of paper, rubberband it around my pecker, walk into a New Zealand gay bar, and slip my johnson into one of the holes drilled into the men's room wall.
LMAO. The world is truly upside down when a man in a dress who has had a surgical procedure to remove his penis is able to denounce others as a 'creep'.