Iran vows to increase military strength Iran has vowed to increase its military strength at a public display of some of its most advanced weaponry.

'Destroy Israel'

The sand-coloured Shahab-3s, towed on mobile launchers to rousing military music during the parade, have a range of about 1,300 kilometres (800 miles) - capable of reaching Israel, Iran's sworn enemy.

It is also believe that the missile is capable of carrying a nuclear warhead.

The missiles were daubed with slogans including "We will crush America under our feet" and "Israel must be wiped off the map". http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3129138.stm

Iran Would React to Israeli Nuclear Action

By GERALD NADLER
Associated Press Writer
UNITED NATIONS (AP) -- Iran warned that it will react "most severely" to any Israeli action against its nuclear facilities, after Israel said the United States was selling it 500 bunker buster bombs.

Israeli military officials said Tuesday that the Jewish state will receive nearly 5,000 smart bombs, including the 500 one-ton bombs that can destroy six-foot concrete walls. In 1981, Israel bombed Iraq's nuclear reactor before it could begin operating.

Iran's Foreign Minister Kamal Kharrazi, asked Wednesday about the sale of the bombs, told reporters: "Israel has always been a threat, not only against Iran, but all countries."

Kharrazi said the main conflict in the Middle East is Israel's "freedom to produce as much as they need - nuclear bombs as well as other weapons of mass destruction."

"But be sure, any action by Israel certainly will be reacted (to) by us, most severely," Kharrazi said after he met British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw on the sidelines of the U.N. General Assembly's ministerial meeting.

The purchase came after the U.N. atomic watchdog agency demanded last weekend that Iran freeze uranium enrichment and related activities, such as the building of centrifuges, within two months. Failure to do so could lead to the International Atomic Energy Agency passing Iran's nuclear file to the U.N. Security Council, which could impose sanctions.

Iran vowed Tuesday to continue a nuclear program some suspect is aimed at developing weapons, even if it means ending cooperation with the U.N. nuclear watchdog. Iran maintains its uranium enrichment program is to generate electricity not produce nuclear weapons.

Israeli Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom said Wednesday that Iran will never abandon plans to develop nuclear weapons and called for quick action by the U.N. Security Council "to put an end to this nightmare."

Shalom sidestepped the question of whether Israel would take military action against Iran if it continued to pursue its nuclear ambitions.

"They are trying to buy time, and the time has come to move the Iranian case to the Security Council in order to put an end to this nightmare," he told reporters after meeting Secretary-General Kofi Annan.

Secretary of State Colin Powell, responding to a question about an Israeli attack on Iranian facilities similar to the Iraqi strike, said: "We're talking about diplomacy and political efforts to stop this movement on the part of the Iranians toward a nuclear weapon.

"We're not talking about strikes. But every option always, of course, remains on the table."

Kharrazi insisted "there are ways and means to arrive at a compromise" over the demands that Iran halt its enrichment program.

Besides the 500 one-ton bombs in the arms sale, Israel will get 2,500 one-ton bombs, 1,000 half-ton bombs and 500 quarter-ton bombs, the Israeli military officials said.

Israel's announcement of the sale came after the U.S. Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress of a possible military sale to Israel worth as much as $319 million.

The agency said in a June 1 press release that the sale "will contribute to the foreign policy and national security of the United States by helping to improve the security of a friendly country that has been and continues to be an important force for political stability and economic progress in the Middle East."


http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/UN_ISRAEL_IRAN?SITE=DCTMS&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

If I were in charge of Iran I would negotiate according to these terms only: If Israel agrees to complete nuclear disarmament and accepts a regiment of inspections (perhaps by the UN) to verify its cooperation, then Iran will agree to forgo its nuclear program. Otherwise, Iran continues with its nuclear program. If Israel is allowed to keep its nukes, then Iran has a right to have nukes as well, and there's really nothing left to talk about.

If I were in charge of Iran I would negotiate according to these terms only: If Israel agrees to complete nuclear disarmament and accepts a regiment of inspections (perhaps by the UN) to verify its cooperation, then Iran will agree to forgo its nuclear program.

Why would Israel trust you?

Muslims as a rule don't consider promises made to infidels to have any validity.

Besides that doesn't keep Saudi or Egypt from developing nukes.

Why would Israel trust you?
Those paranoid Israelis don't trust anyone. They even spy on the USA, the only friend they have in world.

I hope that Iran nukes Israel flat. Come on Iran!

The U.S.A. will invade Iran within 5 years.


Death to Israel. Israel seems to be inviable, the Jews don't seem to be able to live off the land but only off other people, they can't fight their own wars, have too few children, the Palestinians have too many, their economy is top heavy, etc. etc. Maybe a real hard shock could start to break Israel down. :D

Why would Israel trust you?

Muslims as a rule don't consider promises made to infidels to have any validity.
If that's true, then Muslims have something in common with Jews after all.

Angler said;

If I were in charge of Iran I would negotiate according to these terms only: If Israel agrees to complete nuclear disarmament and accepts a regiment of inspections (perhaps by the UN) to verify its cooperation, then Iran will agree to forgo its nuclear program. Otherwise, Iran continues with its nuclear program. If Israel is allowed to keep its nukes, then Iran has a right to have nukes as well, and there's really nothing left to talk about.

Of course your suggestion has the obvious merit of being fair and just. But these concepts are alien to the Jews. They would find someway of keeping their stuff while the Iranians disarm

Otto said;

Muslims as a rule don't consider promises made to infidels to have any validity.

Well we can certainly demonstrate the truth of this for Jews; a casual glance through their Talmud will confrim that, but what is your evidence that Muslims believe in some similar code?

Well we can certainly demonstrate the truth of this for Jews; a casual glance through their Talmud will confrim that, but what is your evidence that Muslims believe in some similar code?

http://www.hinduunity.org/articles/islamexposed/islammain.html

If I would be Iran I would complete my Nuklear weapondry asap and then out of the blue Nuke Israel without any warning with several misiles...then, the world will be a better place even just for one afternoon.

http://www.al-islam.org/laws/transactions1.html#2059

If a person makes a deceitful transaction with the Muslims, or puts them to a loss, or cheats them, he is not one of my followers. And when a person cheats his fellow Muslim (i.e. sells him an adulterated commodity), Allah deprives him of Blessings in his livelihood, closes the means of his earnings, and leaves him to himself

The implication being its okay to cheat non muslims.



2088. * Father and son, husband and wife can take interest from each other. Similarly, a Muslim can take interest from a non-Muslim who is not under protection of Islam.

Im not one of these nutcases who think all loaning at interest is bad, but its telling they think its okay to do it to non muslims but not to muslims.

Keikel -- he's only playing a zhid on the 'net, but in real life he's German.

Since when did not liking ragheads and their religion become "zhid" again? This isn't LF.

Otto,

How does posting a load of links on a Hindu anti-muslim site constitute evidence? How about something akin to some Talmud quotes - you know, straight from the horse's mouth sort of stuff.

The implication being its okay to cheat non muslims


In your mind, but there is nothing in the quote to support such a conclusion. Its a condemnation of cheating by Muslims and no-Muslims alike.

Im not one of these nutcases who think all loaning at interest is bad, but its telling they think its okay to do it to non muslims but not to muslims.

Except that is not what the quote says;

On the one hand;

"Father and son, husband and wife can take interest from each other."

These classes of persons are Muslims as the next line makes clear;

"Similarly, a Muslim can take interest from a non-Muslim who is not under protection of Islam."

The first line deals with inter-muslim dealings, the second with inter-faith dealings. In both cases interest can be taken.

--- Pretty poor showing so far.

" Repentance. 9:4 Proclaim a woeful punishment to the
unbelievers, except those idolaters who have honoured their
treaties with you and aided none against you. With these keep
faith until their treaties have run their term. Allah loves the
righteous. When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters
wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in
ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer
and pay the alms-tax, let them go their way. Allah is forgiving
and merciful."

This is somewhat ambigious( but fundis always go for the strictest anti infidel intrepretation) so after the Sacred Months they can break any treaties with infidels.

Otto,

Is this really the best you can come up with? By your own admission this is ambiguous.

Proclaim a woeful punishment to the unbelievers, except those idolaters who have honoured their treaties with you and aided none against you. With these keep faith until their treaties have run their term.

Now I really can't see what's wrong with that? In fact that looks quite commendable. It says keep faith with those who keep their word, even the unbelievers.

Allah loves the righteous.

Presumably that includes those who keep their word, which would include the unbelievers.

When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters
wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in
ambush everywhere for them. If they repent . . .

I'm not sure what this means. It seems to break with the sense of the preceding passage, it is like a change of subject. Perhaps the text has a lacuna or something. On the other hand neither of us are Koranic scholars so it would be nice to see the commentary tradition on this passage.

Well, compared to the almost infinte stock of unambiguous delights that we can find in the Talmud, this doesn't amount to anything more than an admirable precept followed by an unclear passage.

Reach of missiles now 2,000 km: Iran

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2004/10/05/iran041005.html
Last Updated Tue, 05 Oct 2004 13:03:13 EDT

TEHRAN - Iran's former president Hashemi Rafsanjani said Tuesday that his country has created missiles that can now reach targets 2,000 kilometres away, a substantial increase from its previous range.

Rafsanjani made the announcement to staff at the Aerospace Research Institute in Tehran, adding that Iran is determined to improve its military capabilities.

In August, Iran test-fired a new version of its Shahab-3 missile. The old version was known to have a range of 1,296 km, which would make it capable of hitting Israel. A missile with a 2,000- km range could hit parts of Europe.

Iranian Defence Minister Ali Shamkhani had said in August that Tehran was working to improve the Shahab-3's range and accuracy in response to efforts by Israel to upgrade its missile system, the Associated Press reported.

He also acknowledged that the armed forces had a new strategic missile but did not give its range.

Iran has said its missiles are for defensive purposes.

Rafsanjani also said Iran possesses the basic technology to produce and launch satellites. Iran said in January it would put a satellite into orbit within 18 months.

If I would be Iran I would complete my Nuklear weapondry asap and then out of the blue Nuke Israel without any warning with several misiles...then, the world will be a better place even just for one afternoon.

I hope they dont , then their diaspora could start a new "Holocaust" industry,
imagine it , new holocaust centres , all those holocaust movies again ... possibility of a new Anne Frank :eek: .
Then since Israel is wiped out , and radioactive , a new place for them would have to be found , (somewhere in Europe this time??)
and the story would repeat it self again.

I hope they dont , then their diaspora could start a new "Holocaust" industry,
imagine it , new holocaust centres , all those holocaust movies again ... possibility of a new Anne Frank :eek: .
Then since Israel is wiped out , and radioactive , a new place for them would have to be found , (somewhere in Europe this time??)
and the story would repeat it self again.
How about that Siberian swamp? :cool: