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FadeTheButcher
08-05-2004, 10:59 PM
This thread is precisely why I don't believe in 'freedom of speech'. And why is that? Its because 'freedom of speech' equals 'private speech' and those who privately own the discursive means of production censor out viewpoints they don't like, in some cases, more effectively and ruthlessly than any government. Those who own the discursive means of production in democratic societies use such institutions to pressure the government to do their bidding because they are the intermediaries between the government and the public. They ultimately set the public agenda. The most disturbing thing about freedom of speech/private speech is that private interests can use their hegemony over the discursive means of production to change the system, to criminalize the speech they don't like, as is now the case with 'hate speech legislation'. In other words, these private interests often have the power to shut the door behind them. There are groups out there, in my view, such as the Jews, who have demonstrated an utter inability to respect 'free speech'. They seek to use 'free speech' to destroy 'free speech', as they are now trying to do, as has been documented on this forum. So this is why I no longer trust people who throw around this phrase. The end result of free speech/private speech is the absolute repudiation of the common good and the long term interests of entire peoples in favour of the short term agendas of private actors, who often have no obligation of concern for anyone else but themselves.

-- FadeTheButcher

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PARIS - Jewish groups said yesterday that they are hopeful France will soon ban an Arab satellite channel that has been accused of inciting hatred with anti-Semitic programming.

The Council of State is expected to act in the coming weeks on a July 12 request by France's media watchdog, the CSA, to block Al-Manar broadcasts through the Paris-based satellite operator Eutelsat.

CSA action was sparked last December when CRIF, an umbrella group of French Jewish organizations, complained that Al-Manar - the broadcast operation of the Shiite Muslim militant group Hezbollah - had televised an anti-Semitic series in France.

The 29-part series, "Al Shatat," was produced in Syria and broadcast throughout the Middle East by Hezbollah. Based on "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion," it depicts among other scenes the killing of a Christian child on the orders of a rabbi so the blood can be baked into matzos for Passover.

The series has been broadcast throughout the Muslim world and in France, which has an estimated 5 million Muslims, many of Arab origin.

In a speech to CRIF in January, Prime Minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin said he was revolted by the series, and pledged to stop it. His pledge was one of many steps taken by the French government to stem a tide of anti-Semitism over the past four years.

Jewish groups have applauded France's steps.

"If I look at all the actions taken by the CSA, by the prime minister and now by the Council of State, I think that everything that needs to be done has been done," said Marc Knobel, a CRIF researcher.

Lebanon's Information Ministry and audiovisual authority was quoted in France's Le Figaro newspaper on Tuesday as expressing its "full support" for Al-Manar, which was licensed by the Lebanese government in 1997.

Al-Manar has powerful detractors. Protests were filed by American diplomats with the Lebanese and Syrian governments over "Al-Shatat" late last year, and the station has been taken off the air in Australia.

otto_von_bismarck
08-06-2004, 12:04 AM
This thread is precisely why I don't believe in 'freedom of speech'. And why is that? Its because 'freedom of speech' equals 'private speech' and those who privately own the discursive means of production censor out viewpoints they don't like

"Freedom of the Press is limited to those who own one" HL Mencken

He still believed in free speech.

FadeTheButcher
08-06-2004, 12:24 AM
From the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms:

2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:

a) freedom of conscience and religion;
b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;
c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and
d) freedom of association.

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/charter/

Canadian Government censors free speech lest Whites awaken to freedom

http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=3440 (http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=3440)

Hello, this is David Duke. The Canadian government has now officially banned my book Jewish Supremacism. Canada Customs officials routinely seize and burn the book from Canadian booksellers who dare to order it. With unabashed 'chutzpah,' the government then sends a bill for the cost of seizing and incinerating my book.

Such is the state of freedom in the West in the early years of the 21st century. I frequently use the phrase heritage and freedom to focus on the most important issues confronting us. Heritage and freedom are mutually dependent. Our survival depends on freedom, for our heritage will face certain extinction unless we have the freedom first to know the truth and secondly to act upon it.

As is readily apparent, the establishment nexus of government and media pursue policies that destroy our unique heritage and everything associated with it: our culture, our way of life, prosperity, traditions, values and even our unique genetic inheritance. Unless there is a great awakening among our people, and unless those policies change, European mankind will be completely wiped off the face of the earth.

The truth is "will be wiped off" is not completely accurate. We are being wiped off the face of the planet right now, and it's happening at a frightening pace. The loss of our unique and beautiful people, a people responsible for most of the great and sublime achievements of mankind is an immeasurable, tragic loss. The purveyors of this genocide are committing the greatest crime in the history of mankind. For if genocide, or the destruction of a whole people, should be considered the worst possible crime and demand condemnation, then what should one call the genocide of European mankind?

Listen to the entire Internet radio broadcast (mp3) (http://www.davidduke.com/mp3/dukebookburning__1_.mp3)

otto_von_bismarck
08-06-2004, 02:13 AM
Canada does not have anything close to freedom of speech.

Edana
08-06-2004, 02:42 AM
Canadians have the right to remain tolerant.

otto_von_bismarck
08-06-2004, 04:20 AM
If you choose not to remain tolerant it can and will be used against you in a court of law...