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YellowDischarge
07-31-2004, 05:46 AM
Anyone know about this?

Both Germany and Japan methamphetamines gave methamphetamines to their troops. The Japanese even gave it to their factory workers to boost production.

I've heard that Hitler used methamphetamines by IV as during WW2 all the nasty side effects weren't known.

vanessa
07-31-2004, 07:49 AM
Where did you hear that Hitler used meth? Did he use it on a regular basis?
And what are the "nasty" side-effects?

The Japanese even gave it to their factory workers to boost production.


LOL

YellowDischarge
07-31-2004, 07:54 AM
And what are the "nasty" side-effects?





Remember those Canadians a couple of years back that had bombs dropped on them by the USAF? Guess what the pilots were on? It makes you jumpy and paranoid.

Ebusitanus
07-31-2004, 09:14 AM
I´m not sure what the Good ol´Doctor Morell gave to the Fuhrer but the front troops generally threw the stuff away since it had the unwanted secondary effect of incontenible ventosity.
I have several original "Shockacola" chocolate contaniers that were distributed to front troops and they were mixed with huge quantities of Coffeine for extra power.

cerberus
07-31-2004, 10:08 AM
Hitler was on a crazy list of medications , many of which undesirable side effects.
As far as his medical conditions go Hitler was begining to suffer from Parkinsons Disease , and the list of medications he was on included eye drops , a component of which was cocaine.

Any sensible doctor would have slowly taken away all the "add ons" which Hitler had aquired many of which did him more harm than good.
I would seriously doubt that he was well enough certainly from 44 on to discharge his duties.

The Allies also used some odd medications, one of which was issued to aircrews (RAF) known as " wakey , wakey pills " few took them and you can guess what they did.

Ebusitanus
07-31-2004, 10:21 AM
I feel that most of these stories of Hitler being "on drugs" is mostly BS. It is true that Dr. Morell gave him a crap load of vitamines and other self made complexes that have been shown in the aftermath to be of little to no real use (Like the stuff he managed to sell for the Army) but those were times of experimentation and there was still much to discover. From there to the dubious (at best) versions of Hitler taking Cocaine, Acid, Meth, etc..is quite a jump. I would sort these amongst the allied induced horror stories.

cerberus
07-31-2004, 11:14 AM
I read something some time back about Hitlers care under Morell , which was for a head of State poor and mismanaged.
I would agree with you that a lot of it was more damaging than treating.
Hitler was not a "junkie" but because of what he was being perscribed , his declining health he was certainly not a man in good shape from 1944 onwards.

Whilst I can't stand over it I have often wondered why Morell lasted as long as he did as Hitlers doctor , was it because he did as Hitler wanted by way of treatment , from a medical point of view I don't think Hitler was being well looked after at all.

Timo
07-31-2004, 11:43 AM
He is human, and he was in a powerful and hard position. I, myself, would need to take drugs to keep from going insane.

cerberus
07-31-2004, 12:26 PM
Hitler was powerful , paranoid , insecure , under pressure , could not trust anyone to do anything right , blamed others for what went wrong , increased the pressure on himself , took on too much , compounded the problems etc , etc , etc.
He increasingly ran a one man operation with no decision making unless he had the final say.
The man was not well , he needed expert medical care , he did not get it , he got what was largely quack medicine.
I do wonder to what extent Morell was influenced by what Hitler would or would not accept as treatment.
Seems to have been little serious management of what medications he was taking or consideration of side effects.

Sinclair
07-31-2004, 03:36 PM
It's completely ridiculous that pilots in the USAF flying combat missions are the same, drug-wise, as truckers.

Hitler was pretty messed up by the end of the war, drugs or not.

Ixabert
07-31-2004, 03:43 PM
What are methamphetamines?

cerberus
08-01-2004, 12:36 PM
I took a quick look at what I could find on my book shelves .
Hitler had coronary artery diseae which was progressing and would probabaly in time have been fatal.
He was developing Parkinsons disease , having many of its early traits , coglike movement , shufling gait , tremor in his let arm and involuntary movement of finge and thumb in "pill rolling" type manner .
Certainly a sick man.
Morell had him on something like 23 different medication per day 23 , as Ebu. says many of them rubbish.
He was taking eye drops which contained cocaine .
Hitler was something of a hypocondriac. he had stomach problems and Morell gave him mediactions for this which produced sideefects which complicated and compounded the problem.
It does seem that Morell was happy to give Hitler more or less what he wanted , " a pill for every ill ".
Morell enjoyed Hitlers confidence and misused this.
He refused other profesionals access to Hitler and treated him almost in isloation to specialist opinion.
The 23 different types of medication is quite a critical reflection on Morell's management of Hitlers medical care. That with 90 changes of medication in one year.

Idi Amin
08-01-2004, 05:27 PM
Methamphetamine is a CNS stimulant. The German way of making meth is reffered to as 'yabo' or something I think. It's a very, very popular drug in SouthEast Asia today. Speed with a somewhat psychadelic quality.

LSD was starting to be manufactured by Albert Hoffman in 1943 if I remember correctly. I seriously doubt a Swiss scientists accidental ingestion of LSD (which is how he found it's effects; a hole in his gloves allowed some of the chemical to seep in and he took notes of the color schemes he saw later on) would've made its way to the German high command in less than 2 years. It's impossible that LSD would've been brought to Hitler.

Cocaine was very common of the era, so I wouldn't doubt that he might've been given it by his doctor.

But if Hitler had parkinsons, giving him methamphetamine would've made this infinitely worse. Using meth can end up giving you a parkinsons like 'moving disorder'. I've heard from unreliable sources that Hitler was injected with meth in the morning and barbituates in the evening by his doctor.

cerberus
08-01-2004, 08:03 PM
I am inclined that hitlerwas developing parkisons disease rather then him sufering the side effects of meth.
Yabo is know as " the poor mans cocaine" , and is widely used in Phillipines / that general area.
Th eye drops he did take and cocaine was a componenet part of the medication.
He also took "Dr. Koeseter's anti-gas pills " as well as a range of mediactions for intestinal complaints all perscribed by Morrell.
Adivice which Hitler was given " change your doctor" he refused to take.

Hiel
08-02-2004, 05:56 AM
Drugs are evil, especially if you've never tried them, and have no idea of what you're talking about.

vanessa
08-02-2004, 07:10 AM
Drugs are evil, especially if you've never tried them, and have no idea of what you're talking about.

Yes. That's when they do their most vile works of evil -in the imaginations of the undrugexperienced.

Hiel
08-02-2004, 07:36 AM
I've heard from unreliable sources that Hitler was injected with meth in the morning and barbituates in the evening by his doctor.

Speer mentions it in his autobiography. It's true, as far as I know.