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Mr.Dandy
01-13-2005, 04:59 PM
Following Petr's* suggestion, I am creating this thread with the purpose of helping Phora members getting rid of their misconceptions regarding Brazil and its people which have been undoubtely caused in great part by exposure to years of misinformation, lies and myths pushed by Hollywood, american cartoons (like that silly The Simpsons episode "Blame it on Lisa"), propaganda for tourists paid by my goverment, etc.

First of all, I must say that Brazil is a very heterogeneous country. It's like 3 very different countries that only happen to hold together because of the apathy of the vast majority of its peoples and because of the media demonization of any serious separatist movement (which usually come from the South).

These 3 regions can be divided as such:

1) The Northern (North and Northeast) and Centralwestern regions: The poorest, most lawless and corrupt regions of my country. In the Northeastern coast, there has been some development and improvement of order (mostly thanks to tourism revenues) in the last years and in the Centralwest, there are many big farms that produce soya and other cereals for export. Unfortunately, though, the rest of this region is a wasteland (except for the Amazon forest in the Northwest and Pantanal in the Centralwest) where many children still die of malnutrition and preventable diseases. Not surprisingly, these regions are over 90% non-white.

2) The Southeastern region: It’s the most industrialized, populous and racially diverse region (there are significant numbers of Chinese, Japanese, Arabs, etc, in some areas). Thanks to large-scale immigration from the Northeastern region in the last decades of the 20th century, Southeastern metropolises like Rio de Janeiro and São Paulo have become chaotic and ultra-violent. The situation is particularly bad in Rio where huge slums can be found almost everywhere (it’s a city full of hills, and almost every hill has been occupied by slum-dwellers). In Rio, few houses and buildings and no public monument, ornament, etc, are safe from burglars and vandals. The Southeast is probably less than 30% white (though the gov. says 50-60%).

3) The Southern region: It’s by far the most civilized region. Despite some immigration from the Northeast in the last few decades (which still occur today) the Southern population is still over 80% white (mainly of Italian and German origin). Also, separatist movements are growing popular despite media demonization (Southern separatism is always motivated by “racism” according to the media). Finally, one very interesting thing: in the South, there can still be found several beautiful villages founded by Italian and German immigrants where their mother tongue is still spoken to this day by their inhabitants.

Of course, the paragraphs above are meant to be just an introduction to the subject. Any questions (preferably about things that can’t be easily found on the internet) or comments about my country and its culture, people, etc, by those who care to know or discuss it will be appreciated.


*Petr, the thread title you suggested was good but I couldn’t use it because it was too big.

Petr
01-13-2005, 05:02 PM
Oh, I wasn't suggesting anything specific. No offense whatsoever taken.

:)

So, what is your overall estimation on how great percentage of Brazilians are White?


Petr

John Rocker
01-13-2005, 05:20 PM
Interesting, although depressing demographic analysis Mr. Dandy. Several of my friends travel worldwide quite a bit and one friend of mine went down to Brazil about a two years ago after getting laid off from BP in London. I haven't heard from him since although I assume he is just having fun spending his severance pay.

The tourist beaches in Brazil seem better than Southern Florida and Los Angeles.

Hopefully, Brazil can kick its sterilization program into high gear to improve overall conditions there.

Mr.Dandy
01-13-2005, 05:50 PM
So, what is your overall estimation on how great percentage of Brazilians are White?
Probably less than 35% (of course it depends on how strict you are on your definition of white. My definition is any person who is pure white plus those who have less than 1/8 indian blood or 1/32 black blood).

Anyway it's difficult to know for sure since the gov. statistics include many mestizos, Arabs and other non-white caucasians as white (the gov. says 50-60% of Brazilians are white :rolleyes: )

I haven't heard from him since although I assume he is just having fun spending his severance pay.
Maybe he was kidnapped.... :p

The tourist beaches in Brazil seem better than Southern Florida and Los Angeles.
Yes, our beaches are the best. Except for those close to big Metropolises like Rio.

Hopefully, Brazil can kick its sterilization program into high gear to improve overall conditions there.
Unfortunately that's not realistic since I doubt the majority of the pop. would agree to be sterilized.

I have hope for Southern indepedence though.

CONSTANTINVS MAXIMVS
01-13-2005, 05:54 PM
I have hope for Southern indepedence though.

I think you'll find sympathisers for that here. Count me among them for starters.

Petr
01-13-2005, 05:55 PM
- "My definition is any person who is pure white plus those who have less than 1/8 indian blood or 1/32 black blood)."


So, you are some sort of race-purist? (don't take this question in the wrong way)


Petr

CONSTANTINVS MAXIMVS
01-13-2005, 05:58 PM
Stricter than what I am.

Mr.Dandy
01-13-2005, 06:08 PM
I think you'll find sympathisers for that here. Count me among them for starters.
Thanks. :)

So, you are some sort of race-purist? (don't take this question in the wrong way)
Well it depends. If someone looks and behaves "white", that's good enough for me.

From my experience, most people who are 1/4 indian still look (and sometimes behave) like an indian. That's why I count them "statistically" as non-white.

Dan
01-13-2005, 06:33 PM
What? Brazil though poor is not some multicultural utopia with very little crime where all races live in harmony? Blacks and Browns are just as criminal there as anywhere else? My god I’m shocked. :D

Petr
01-13-2005, 06:56 PM
- "If someone looks and behaves "white", that's good enough for me."

This is the eminently reasonable, pragmatic standard to which I myself hold onto.


Petr

CONSTANTINVS MAXIMVS
01-13-2005, 07:07 PM
I go with a 75% white proportion rule. That is the absolute bare minimum. 1/8th would be better though, and pure white of course is the most preferential.

Sarah
01-16-2005, 07:22 PM
What does 'behaving white' entail? And if one does not 'behave white' does this countermand one's racial whiteness? Would Eminem, Jeffrey Dahmer, Viking rapists, torturers of The Spanish Inquisition, etc become non-white by the nature of their behaviour?

Lenny
01-16-2005, 07:38 PM
...Viking rapists...There is no evidence that suggests that the Vikings raped any more than any other group. You are basing your statement on baseless and false stereotypes... kind of like the "all Hungarians are gypsies" stereotype :eek:

Mr.Dandy
01-16-2005, 07:49 PM
Sahah, since you don't seem to be interested in discussing the subject of this thread, would you please create another thread to discuss whatever is bothering you?

I am not going to answer to your questions here and help ruin my own thread.

Thanks.