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Erzsébet Báthory
01-06-2005, 02:31 AM
So much for Mongoloids having a lower sex drive or propensity for violence. :rolleyes:

http://academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/core9/phalsall/images/genghis.jpg

Genghis Khan: Father to Millions?
By Rossella Lorenzi, Discovery News

June 22, 2004 —Genghis Khan left a legacy shared by 16 million people alive today, according to a book by a Oxford geneticist who identified the Mongol emperor as the most successful alpha male in human history.

Regarded by the Mongolians as the father of their nation, Genghis Khan was born around 1162. A military and political genius, he united the tribes of Mongolia and conquered half of the known world with a cavalry riding on grass-fed ponies.

By the time Genghis died in 1227, his empire stretched from the Pacific coast of China to the Caspian Sea.

Bryan Sykes, professor of human genetics at Oxford University and author of "Adam's Curse," a study of the Y chromosome, believes Genghis's "super Y" chromosome survived and proliferated as far as the British Isles. He has just begun to check it at Oxford Ancestors, a leading provider of DNA-based services for use in personal ancestry research.

"We will offer British men genetic tests to see if they are Genghis's descendants. It is possible that the Mongol emperor's Y chromosome spread as far as the U.K. through gradual immigration from further East over the centuries," Sykes told Discovery News.

The genetic testing follows another Oxford study, which involved a survey of the Y chromosome — which is passed unchanged from father to son — from all over Central Asia.

The researchers found one Y chromosome fingerprint that was identical in eight percent of the male population.

"This was highly unusual and suggested that they may all have descended from one man living in the fairly recent past. By seeing what small changes had occurred, it was possible to estimate the time at which this common ancestor lived, and it was consistent with an origin in the 12th or 13th century," Sykes said.

Matching that evidence with the overlap between where the chromosome was abundant and the geographical extent of the Mongol empire established by Genghis Khan in the 12th century, the researchers concluded it was Genghis' chromosome.

The Mongol emperor's habit of killing the men and inseminating the women when his army conquered a new territory, coupled with handing the Empire and other wealth to his sons, and their sons, would explain how the chromosome came to such prevalence today, said Sykes.

The final piece of evidence came from the Hazara, a hill tribe in Pakistan who had a strong oral history of being descended from Genghis Khan.

"The Y chromosome was present in the Hazara, but not in the surrounding tribes, who did not have this oral history. Though the evidence is circumstantial, it is, I believe, very strong," Sykes said.

Finding Genghis Khan's tomb, one of the great secrets of all time, could provide the definitive evidence, leading to a direct comparison of Genghis' Y chromosome with those of modern men.

Sykes' hypothesis seems to be consistent with history, according to David Morgan, a Mongol history specialist at the University of Wisconsin.

"There's no reason to doubt that Genghis Khan fathered a good crop of children, if one is to believe the testimony of contemporaries," Morgan told Discovery News.

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20040621/genghis.html

Dan
01-06-2005, 02:50 AM
The researchers found one Y chromosome fingerprint that was identical in eight percent of the male population.

"This was highly unusual and suggested that they may all have descended from one man living in the fairly recent past. By seeing what small changes had occurred, it was possible to estimate the time at which this common ancestor lived, and it was consistent with an origin in the 12th or 13th century," Sykes said.

Matching that evidence with the overlap between where the chromosome was abundant and the geographical extent of the Mongol empire established by Genghis Khan in the 12th century, the researchers concluded it was Genghis' chromosome.

Well it certainly wouldn't surprise me if this were the case.

otto_von_bismarck
01-06-2005, 04:40 AM
Genghis Khan left a legacy shared by 16 million people alive today, according to a book by a Oxford geneticist who identified the Mongol emperor as the most successful alpha male in human history.

Its because not only did he have a huge harem but he conquered so much most of his kids( not just the eldest son) also got to have huge harems.

Dan
01-06-2005, 06:08 AM
Genghis Khan left a legacy shared by 16 million people alive today, according to a book by a Oxford geneticist who identified the Mongol emperor as the most successful alpha male in human history.

Its because not only did he have a huge harem but he conquered so much most of his kids( not just the eldest son) also got to have huge harems.
Exactly.

Shane
01-06-2005, 11:21 AM
June 22, 2004 —Genghis Khan left a legacy shared by 16 million people alive today, according to a book by a Oxford geneticist who identified the Mongol emperor as the most successful alpha male in human history.

I would disagree with this for many reasons. For a start, Genghis Khan inherited his Y chromosomes from his father. Hence Genghis Khan's father has more descendants that Genghis Khan, which would mean that Genghis Khan's father was the most successful alpha male in human history...You could continue this trend right back to the 1st men who ever lived...

CONSTANTINVS MAXIMVS
01-06-2005, 11:34 AM
I would disagree with this for many reasons. For a start, Genghis Khan inherited his Y chromosomes from his father. Hence Genghis Khan's father has more descendants that Genghis Khan, which would mean that Genghis Khan's father was the most successful alpha male in human history...You could continue this trend right back to the 1st men who ever lived...
I was about to post exactly the same after having read the first post.

Shane
01-06-2005, 11:40 AM
I was about to post exactly the same after having read the first post.

"Wise minds think alike"..."fools seldom differ"?

BTW, You really went on some posting frenzy...I clicked the "New Posts" link, and the top 5-6 Threads were all replies from you.

CONSTANTINVS MAXIMVS
01-06-2005, 11:51 AM
Lol, happens a lot with me.

Shane
01-06-2005, 12:01 PM
Bryan Sykes, professor of human genetics at Oxford University and author of "Adam's Curse," a study of the Y chromosome, believes Genghis's "super Y" chromosome survived and proliferated as far as the British Isles. He has just begun to check it at Oxford Ancestors, a leading provider of DNA-based services for use in personal ancestry research.[/url]

I forgot to mention, Y chromosomes only trace the male line...16 million is alot, but could you imagine the number if we could trace his female descendants(and their male descendants)!!

P.S. Not that there wouldn't be others to rival him though.

otto_von_bismarck
01-09-2005, 11:07 AM
I was about to post exactly the same after having read the first post.If you take the average of how many generations Ghenghis Khan is removed from the youngest one now... then he has the most descendents.

Shane
01-09-2005, 11:54 AM
If you take the average of how many generations Ghenghis Khan is removed from the youngest one now... then he has the most descendents.

I wouldn't be so sure of that. How many historical figures have had tests like this done for them? I wouldn't be surprised if someone else came in ahead of him.

Sarah
01-10-2005, 12:31 AM
Genghis Khan was Nordish! (http://www.white-history.com/earlson/genghis.htm)

Actually I had a map of the Mongol empire from an issue of National Geographic which showed Genghis Khan's third son Ogodei as having red hair and blue eyes.

ScythianShamanist
01-10-2005, 01:02 AM
Not Nordish, but Tatar :)

otto_von_bismarck
01-10-2005, 02:39 AM
Genghis Khan was Nordish!

LOL.

Shane
01-10-2005, 11:59 AM
Whether he was Nordish or not probablly has nothing to do with the number of descendants he had. As Bismark said, it was because his Empire could provide for the multiplication of his off-spring.

John Rocker
01-10-2005, 03:34 PM
What an embarrassment to the so-called decendants of that Mongoloid; not only do they have hurting looks, they are all decended from bastards.