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bardamu
12-06-2004, 02:15 PM
"Superior strength is found in the long run to lie with those who had right on their side."
What was that called, in days of yore, when two men fought to determine who was right? It is on the tip of my tongue.
FadeTheButcher
12-06-2004, 02:28 PM
More James Anthony Froude quotes:
A person possessed with an idea cannot be reasoned with.
Age does not make us childish, as some say; it finds us true children.
Human improvement is from within outward.
In everyday things the law of sacrifice takes the form of positive duty.
No person is ever good for much, that hasn't been swept off their feet by enthusiasm between ages twenty and thirty.
Our human laws are more or less imperfect copies of the external laws as we see them.
Philosophy goes no further than probabilities, and in every assertion keeps a doubt in reserve.
Science rests on reason and experiment, and can meet an opponent with calmness; but a belief is always sensitive.
Superior strength is found in the long run to lie with those who had right on their side.
The better one is morally the less aware they are of their virtue.
The essence of greatness is neglect of the self.
The first duty of an historian is to be on guard against his own sympathies.
The practical effect of a belief is the real test of its soundness.
The secret of a person's nature lies in their religion and what they really believes about the world and their place in it.
To deny the freedom of the will is to make morality impossible.
We enter the world alone, we leave the world alone.
Wild animals never kill for sport. Man is the only one to whom the torture and death of his fellow creatures is amusing in itself.
You cannot dream yourself into a character; you must hammer and forge yourself one.
http://www.question.com/quotes/authors/james_anthony_froude.html
"As we advance in life, we learn the limit of our abilities."
"Experience teaches slowly, and at the cost of mistakes."
"Fear is the parent of cruelty."
"Men are made by nature unequal. It is vain, therefore to treat them as if thy were equal."
"True greatness is the most ready to recognize and most willing to obey those simple outward laws which have been sanctioned by the experience of mankind."
http://www.zaadz.com/quotes/authors/james_anthony_froude/
According to British historian James Anthony Froude, “No people so few in number have scored so deep a mark in the world’s history as the Scots have done. No people have a greater right to be proud of their blood.”
As this book reveals the Scottish people of Virginia, namely the Scots from Ulster in Ireland, were the people most responsible for the articulation of the principles of individual human rights which became the foundation for the demands for American independence and for the formulation of the values and principles outlined in the constitution of the United States of America.
http://www.electricscotland.com/books/scots_virginia.htm
FadeTheButcher
12-06-2004, 02:31 PM
James Anthony Froude was a famous British Victorian racialist and disciple of Thomas Carlyle. For more info on him see Walter Thomas Thompson's James Anthony Froude on Nation and Empire: A Study in Victorian Racialism (Taylor & Francis, London, 1998).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Anthony_Froude
James Anthony Froude (April 23 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_23), 1818 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1818) - October 20 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_20), 1894 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1894)) was an English (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England) historian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historian), the brother of William Froude (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Froude), the engineer and naval architect.
The son of RH Froude, archdeacon of Totnes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totnes), he was born at Dartington (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Dartington&action=edit), Devon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devon). He was educated at Westminster and Oriel College, Oxford (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oriel_College%2C_Oxford), then the centre of the ecclesiastical revival. He obtained a second class degree, but won the Chancellor's English essay (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essay) prize, and was elected a fellow of Exeter College (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exeter_College%2C_Oxford) (1842). His elder brother, Richard Hurrell Froude (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Richard_Hurrell_Froude&action=edit), had been one of the leaders of the Oxford Movement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_Movement). Froude joined that party and helped John Henry Newman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Henry_Newman) in his Lives of the English Saints (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Lives_of_the_English_Saints&action=edit). He was ordained deacon in 1845. By that time his religious opinions had begun to change, he grew dissatisfied with the views of the High Church (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Church) party, and came under the influence of Thomas Carlyle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Carlyle). Signs of this first appeared publicly in his Shadows of the Clouds, a volume containing two stories of a religious sort, which he published in 1847 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1847) under the pseudonym of "Zeta," and his complete desertion of his party was declared a year later in his Nemesis of Faith, of which the earlier part seems to be autobiographical.
At the college's request, he resigned his fellowship at Oxford. His plight won him the sympathy of kindred spirits like Elizabeth Gaskell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Gaskell) and her husband; Mrs Gaskell's novel, North and South, is thought to have been based on Froude's experience, and the heroine, Margaret Hale, may have been based on his wife, Charlotte.
From then on, Froude mainly supported himself by writing, contributing to Fraser's Magazine and the Westminster Review. His talent was soon generally recognized. The first two volumes of his History of England from the Fall of Wolsey to the Defeat of the Spanish Armada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Armada) appeared in 1856, and the work was completed in 1870 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1870). As an historian he is chiefly remarkable for his literary style. He condemns a scientific treatment of history, believing that its purpose was simply to record human actions and that it should be written as a drama. Accordingly his work gives prominence to the personal element in history, but he sometimes failed to understand the context of the period on which he was writing.
The keynote of Froude's History is his assertion that the Reformation was "the root and source of the expansive force which has spread the Anglo-Saxon race over the globe." Hence he praises King Henry VIII (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_VIII_of_England) and others who helped the movement, and speaks harshly of its opponents. So too, in his English in Ireland (1872-1874), which was written to show thc futility of attempts to conciliate the Irish, he exaggerates the bad points of the Irish, touches lightly on English atrocities,and emphasizes the influence of Roman Catholicism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholicism). A strong anti-clerical prejudice is shown in his historical work, possibly the result of the change in his views on Church matters and his abandonment of the clerical profession. Carlyle's influence on him is seen in his admiration for strong rulers and strong government, which led him to write as though tyranny and brutality were excusable, and also in his independent treatment of character. His rehabilitation of Henry VIII (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_VIII_of_England) was a useful protest, but his representation of Henry as the self-denying minister of his people's will is founded on the false theory that the acts of Henry's parliaments represented the opinions of the educated laymen of England.
In his Divorce of Catherine of Aragon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_of_Aragon) (1891) Froude attempted to show that fresh evidence on the subject, brought forward by Dr James Gairdner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Gairdner), Dr Friedmann and others, was consistent with the views which he had expressed in his History nearly forty years before. He worked diligently at original manuscript authorities at Simancas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simancas), the Record Office (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=British_Public_Record_Office&action=edit) and Hatfield House (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatfield_House); but he used his materials carelessly, and brought to his investigation of them a mind already made up.
Froude's Life of Caesar (1879), a glorification of imperialism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperialism), betrays little acquaintance with Roman politics and the life of Cicero (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicero); and his travel book, The English in the West Indies (1888) shows that he made little effort to master his subject. Oceana (1886), the record of a tour in Australia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia) and New Zealand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand), notes the prosperity of the working-classes in Adelaide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adelaide) at the date of his visit, when, in fact, owing to a failure in the wheatcrop, hundreds were then living on charity. Historical scholars ridiculed his mistakes, and Freeman never missed a chance of criticizing him in the Saturday Review. Froude's temperament was sensitive, and he suffered from these attacks, which were often unjust and savage in tone. The literary quarrel between him and Freeman became news when it blazed out in a series of articles which Freeman wrote in the Contemporary Review (1879) on Froude's Short Study of Thomas Becket (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Becket).
Froude's History is a well-balanced and orderly narrative, coherent in design and symmetrical in execution. Though unnecessarily long, the thread of the story is never lost amid a crowd of details; every incident appears in its appropriate place and contributes its share to the perfection of the whole. Froude was a master of English prose. The most notable characteristic of his style is its graceful simplicity; it is never affected or laboured; his sentences are short and easy, and follow one another naturally. He is always lucid. He was never in doubt as to his own meaning, and never at a loss for the most appropriate words in which to express it. Simple as his language is, it is dignified and worthy of its subject.
The merits of his work met with full recognition. Each instalment of his History, in common with almost everything which he wrote, was widely read, and in spite of some adverse criticisms was received with eager applause. In 1868 he was elected rector of St Andrews University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Andrews_University), defeating Benjamin Disraeli (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Disraeli) by a majority of fourteen. He was warmly welcomed in the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States), which he visited in 1872 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1872), but the lectures on Ireland which he delivered there caused much dissatisfaction. On the death of his adversary Freeman in 1892, he was appointed, on the recommendation of Lord Salisbury, to succeed him as regius professor of modern history at Oxford.
Except to a few Oxford men, who considered that historical scholarship should have been held to be a necessary qualification for the office, his appointment gave general satisfaction. His lectures on Erasmus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erasmus) and other 16th century (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16th_century) subjects were largely attended. With some allowance for the purpose for which they were originally written, they present much the same characteristics as his earlier historical books. His health gave way in the summer of 1894, and he died later that year.
His long life was full of literary work. Besides his labours as an author. he was for fourteen years editor of Fraser's Magazine. He was one of Carlyle's literary executors, and brought some sharp criticism upon himself by publishing Carlyle's Reminiscences and the Memorials of Jane Welsh Carlyle, for they exhibited the domestic life and character of his old friend in an unpleasant light. Carlyle had given the manuscripts to him, telling him that he might publish them if he thought it well to do so, and at the close of his life agreed to their publication. Froude therefore declared that in giving them to the world he was carrying out his friend's wish by enabling him to make a posthumous confession of his faults.
Froude was generally reserved, though his manners and conversation were charming. Those who knew him well formed a high estimate of his ability in practical affairs. In 1874 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1874) Lord Carnarvon, then colonial secretary, sent Froude to South Africa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa) to report on the best means of promoting a confederation of its colonies and states, and in 1875 he was again sent to the Cape as a member of a proposed conference to further confederation. Froude's speeches in South Africa were tactless, and his mission was a failure.
Froude's first wife, a daughter of Pascoe Grenfell and sister of Mrs Charles Kingsley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Kingsley), died in 1860; his second, a daughter of John Warre, M.P. for Taunton, died in 1874.
Froude's Life, by Herbert Paul (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Herbert_Paul&action=edit), was published in 1905.
FadeTheButcher
12-06-2004, 03:00 PM
"The idea gleaming and dancing before ones eyes like a will-of-the- wisp at last frames itself into a plan. Why should we not form a secret society with but one object, the furtherance of the British Empire and the bringing of the whole uncivilised world under British rule,for the recovery of the United States,for the making the Anglo-Saxon race one Empire. What a dream, but yet it is probable, it is possible."
--Cecil Rhodes, June 2, 1877
The prolific and famous novelist Anthony Trollope, many of whose novels are still read today, also published non-fiction, including a popular travel book called The West Indies and the Spanish Main (1860), from which these passages are taken (pp. 58-9, 64-5, & 77 of the New York edition). He was an acute and acerbic observer, and a thorough-going racist who parroted the biologized cliches of the "cultivated". In the same era, the prominent Oxford historian James Anthony Froude published his account of West Indian travels. It's the same old story. This is from Trollope.
...The West Indian negro... has made no approach to the civilization of his white fellow creatures, whom he imitates as a monkey does a man.
Physically he is capable of the hardest bodily work, and that probably with less bodily pain than men of any other race but he is idle, unambitious as to worldly position, sensual, and content with little. Intellectually, he is apparently capable of but little sustained effort; but, singularly enough, here he is ambitious. He burns to be regarded as a scholar, puzzles himself with fine words, addicts himself to religion for the sake of appearance, and delights in aping the little graces of civilization. He despises himself thoroughly, and would probably be content to starve for a month if he could appear as a white man for a day; but yet he delights in signs of respect paid to him, black man as he is, and is always thinking of his own dignity. If you want to win his heart for an hour, call him a gentleman; but if you want to reduce him to a despairing obedience, tell him that he is a filthy nigger, assure him that his father and mother had tails like monkeys, and forbid him to think that he can have a soul like a white man. Among the West Indies one may frequently see either course adopted towards them by their unreasoning ascendant masters.
I do not think that education has as yet done much for the black man in the Western world. He can always observe, and often read; but he can seldom reason. I do not mean to assert that he is absolutely without mental power, as the calf is. He does draw conclusions, but carries them only a short way. I think that he seldom understands the purpose of industry, the object of truth, or the results of honesty. He is not always idle, perhaps not always false, and certainly not always a thief; but his motives are the fear of immediate punishment, or hopes of immediate reward. He fears that and hopes that only. Certain virtues he copies, because they are the virtues of a white man. The white man is the god present to his eye, and he believes in him -believes in him with a qualified faith, and imitates him with a qualified constancy.
And thus I am led to say, and I say it with sorrow enough, that I distrust the negro's religion. What I can say is this: that in my opinion they rarely take in and digest the great and simple doctrines of Christianity, that they should love and fear the Lord their God, and love their neighbors as themselves.
Those who differ from me -and the number will comprise the whole clergy of these western realms, and very many beside the clergy- will ask, among other questions, whether simple doctrines are obeyed in England much better than they are in Jamiaca. I would reply that I am not speaking of obedience. The opinion which I venture to give is, that the very first meaning of the terms does not often reach the negro's mind, not even the minds of those among them who are enthusiastically religious....
...It is hard for man to work without hope of seeing that for which he labors.
But to return to our sable friends. The first desire of a man in a state of civilization is for property. Greed and covetousness are no doubt vices; but they are the vices which have grown from cognate virtues. Without a desire for property, man could make no progress. But the negro has no such desire; no desire strong enough to induce him to labor for that which he wants. In order that he may eat to-day and be clothed to-morrow, he will work a little; as for anything beyond that, he is content to lie in the sun.
Emancipation and the last change in the sugar duties have made land only too plentiful in Jamaica, and enormous tracts have been thrown out of cultivation as unprofitable. And it is also only too fertile. The negro, consequently, has had unbounded facility of squatting, and has availed himself of it freely. To recede from civilization and become again savage -as savage as the laws of the comrnunity can permit- has been to his taste. I believe that he would altogether retrograde if left to himself.
I shall now be asked, having said so much, whether I think that emancipation was wrong. By no means. I think that emancipation was clearly right; but I think we expected far too great and far too quick a result from emancipation.
These people are a servile race, fitted by nature for hardest physical work, and apparently at present fitted for little else. Some thirty years since they were in a state when such work was their lot; but their tasks were exacted from them in a condition of bondage abhorrent to the feelings of the age, and opposed to the religion which we practised. For us, thinking as we did, slavery was a sin. From that sin we have cleansed ourselves....
No Englishman, no Anglo-Saxon, could be what he now is but for that portion of wild and savage energy which has come to him from his Vandal forefathers. May it not then be fair to suppose that a time shall come when a race will inhabit those lovely islands, fitted by nature for their burning sun, in whose blood shall be mixed some portion of northern energy, and which shall owe its physical powers to African progenitors, -a race that shall be no more ashamed of the name of negro than we are of the name Saxon?
But, in the meantime, what are we to do with our friend, lying as he now is at his ease under the cotton-tree, and declining to work after ten o'clock in the morning?...
...It is almost unnecessary to explain that by colored men I mean those who are of a mixed race -of a breed mixed, be it in what proportion it may, between the white European and the black African....
My theory -for I acknowledge to a theory- is this: that Providence has sent white men and black men to these regions in order that from them may spring a race fitted by intellect for civilization; and fitted also by physical organization for tropical labor. The negro in his primitive state is not, I think, fitted for the former; and the European white Creole is certainly not fitted for the latter....
It is probable also that the future race who shall inhabit these islands may have other elements than the two already named. There will soon be here -in the teeth of our friends of the Anti-Slavery Society- thousands from China and Hindostan. The Chinese and the Coolies -immigrants from India are always called Coolies- greatly excel the negro in intelligence, and partake, though in a limited degree, of the negro's physical abilities in a hot climate. And thus the blood of Asia will be mixed with that of Africa; and the necessary compound will, by God's infinite wisdom and power, be formed for these latitudes, as it has been formed for the colder regions in which the Anglo-Saxon preserves his energy, and works.
http://instruct.uwo.ca/anthro/222/super.htm
FadeTheButcher
12-06-2004, 03:07 PM
Famous quotes by Thomas Carlyle:
A loving heart is the beginning of all knowledge.
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A man lives by believing something: not by debating and arguing about many things.
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A man without a goal is like a ship without a rudder.
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A man's felicity consists not in the outward and visible blessing of fortune, but in the inward and unseen perfections and riches of the mind.
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A person who is gifted sees the essential point and leaves the rest as surplus.
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A sad spectacle. If they be inhabited, what a scope for misery and folly. If they be not inhabited, what a waste of space.
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A strong mind always hopes, and has always cause to hope.
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A well-written life is almost as rare as a well-spent one.
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Action hangs, as it were, "dissolved" in speech, in thoughts whereof speech is the shadow; and precipitates itself therefrom. The kind of speech in a man betokens the kind of action you will get from him.
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Adversity is the diamond dust Heaven polishes its jewels with.
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All great peoples are conservative.
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All men, if they work not as in the great taskmaster's eye, will work wrong, and work unhappily for themselves and for you.
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All that mankind has done, thought or been: it is lying as in magic preservation in the pages of books.
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As a first approximation, I define "belief" not as the object of believing (a dogma, a program, etc.) but as the subject's investment in a proposition, the act of saying it and considering it as true.
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Be not a slave of words.
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Blessed is he who has found his work; let him ask no other blessedness.
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Cash-payment never was, or could except for a few years be, the union-bond of man to man. Cash never yet paid one man fully his deserts to another; nor could it, nor can it, now or henceforth to the end of the world.
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Clever men are good, but they are not the best.
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Conviction is worthless unless it is converted into conduct.
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Conviction never so excellent, is worthless until it coverts itself into conduct.
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Culture is the process by which a person becomes all that they were created capable of being.
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Do the duty which lies nearest to you, the second duty will then become clearer.
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Doubt, of whatever kind, can be ended by action alone.
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Egotism is the source and summary of all faults and miseries.
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Every new opinion, at its starting, is precisely in a minority of one.
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Every noble work is at first impossible.
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Everywhere in life, the true question is not what we gain, but what we do.
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Everywhere the human soul stands between a hemisphere of light and another of darkness; on the confines of the two everlasting empires, necessity and free will.
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Foolish men imagine that because judgment for an evil thing is delayed, there is no justice; but only accident here below. Judgment for an evil thing is many times delayed some day or two, some century or two, but it is sure as life, it is sure as death.
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For all right judgment of any man or things it is useful, nay, essential, to see his good qualities before pronouncing on his bad.
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For man is not the creature and product of Mechanism; but, in a far truer sense, its creator and producer.
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Fun I love, but too much fun is of all things the most loathsome. Mirth is better than fun, and happiness is better than mirth.
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Genius is an infinite capacity for taking pains.
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He who could foresee affairs three days in advance would be rich for thousands of years.
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He who has health, has hope; and he who has hope, has everything.
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Humor has justly been regarded as the finest perfection of poetic genius.
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I do not believe in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance.
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I don't like to talk much with people who always agree with me. It is amusing to coquette with an echo for a little while, but one soon tires of it.
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I don't pretend to understand the Universe - it's a great deal bigger than I am.
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I've got a great ambition to die of exhaustion rather than boredom.
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If an eloquent speaker speak not the truth, is there a more horrid kind of object in creation?
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If there be no enemy there's no fight. If no fight, no victory and if no victory there is no crown.
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If what you have done is unjust, you have not succeeded.
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If you do not wish a man to do a thing, you had better get him to talk about it; for the more men talk, the more likely they are to do nothing else.
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If you look deep enough you will see music; the heart of nature being everywhere music.
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Imagination is a poor matter when it has to part company with understanding.
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Imperfection clings to a person, and if they wait till they are brushed off entirely, they would spin for ever on their axis, advancing nowhere.
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In books lies the soul of the whole past time.
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In every phenomenon the beginning remains always the most notable moment.
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In the long-run every Government is the exact symbol of its People, with their wisdom and unwisdom; we have to say, Like People like Government.
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Isolation is the sum total of wretchedness to a man.
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It is a strange trade that of advocacy. Your intellect, your highest heavenly gift is hung up in the shop window like a loaded pistol for sale.
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It is a vain hope to make people happy by politics.
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It were a real increase of human happiness, could all young men from the age of nineteen be covered under barrels, or rendered otherwise invisible; and there left to follow their lawful studies and callings, till they emerged, sadder and wiser, at the age of twenty-five.
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Laughter is one of the very privileges of reason, being confined to the human species.
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Let each become all that he was created capable of being.
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Let one who wants to move and convince others, first be convinced and moved themselves. If a person speaks with genuine earnestness the thoughts, the emotion and the actual condition of their own heart, others will listen because we all are knit together by the tie of sympathy.
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Little other than a red tape Talking-machine, and unhappy Bag of Parliamentary Eloquence.
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Love is not altogether a delirium, yet it has many points in common therewith.
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Make yourself an honest man, and then you may be sure there is one less rascal in the world.
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Man is a tool-using Animal. Nowhere do you find him without tools; without tools he is nothing, with tools he is all.
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Man is, properly speaking, based upon hope, he has no other possession but hope; this world of his is emphatically the place of hope.
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Men do less than they ought, unless they do all that they can.
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Men seldom, or rather never for a length of time and deliberately, rebel against anything that does not deserve rebelling against.
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Music is well said to be the speech of angels.
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Music is well said to be the speech of angels; in fact, nothing among the utterances allowed to man is felt to be so divine. It brings us near to the Infinite.
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Narrative is linear, but action has breadth and depth as well as height and is solid.
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Necessity dispenseth with decorum.
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No age seemed the age of romance to itself.
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No amount of ability is of the slightest avail without honor.
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No ghost was every seen by two pair of eyes.
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No great man lives in vain. The history of the world is but the biography of great men.
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No iron chain, or outward force of any kind, can ever compel the soul of a person to believe or to disbelieve.
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No man lives without jostling and being jostled; in all ways he has to elbow himself through the world, giving and receiving offence.
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No man who has once heartily and wholly laughed can be altogether irreclaimably bad.
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No person is important enough to make me angry.
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No pressure, no diamonds.
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No violent extreme endures.
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None of us will ever accomplish anything excellent or commanding except when he listens to this whisper which is heard by him alone.
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Not brute force but only persuasion and faith are the kings of this world.
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Not on morality, but on cookery, let us build our stronghold: there brandishing our frying-pan, as censer, let us offer sweet incense to the Devil, and live at ease on the fat things he has provided for his elect!
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Not our logical faculty, but our imaginative one is king over us. I might say, priest and prophet to lead us to heaven-ward, or magician and wizard to lead us hellward.
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Not what I have, but what I do is my kingdom.
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Nothing builds self-esteem and self-confidence like accomplishment.
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Nothing is more terrible than activity without insight.
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Nothing stops the man who desires to achieve. Every obstacle is simply a course to develop his achievement muscle. It's a strengthening of his powers of accomplishment.
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Nothing that was worthy in the past departs; no truth or goodness realized by man ever dies, or can die.
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Of all acts of man repentance is the most divine. The greatest of all faults is to be conscious of none.
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Oh, give us the man who sings at his work.
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Old age is not a matter for sorrow. It is matter for thanks if we have left our work done behind us.
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One must verify or expel his doubts, and convert them into the certainty of Yes or NO.
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Originality is a thing we constantly clamour for, and constantly quarrel with.
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Our main business is not to see what lies dimly at a distance,but to do what lies clearly at hand.
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Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacle s, discouragement s, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak.
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Reform is not pleasant, but grievous; no person can reform themselves without suffering and hard work, how much less a nation.
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Sarcasm I now see to be, in general, the language of the devil; for which reason I have long since as good as renounced it.
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Science must have originated in the feeling that something was wrong.
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Secrecy is the element of all goodness; even virtue, even beauty is mysterious.
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Show me the man you honor, and I will know what kind of man you are.
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Show me the person you honor, for I know better by that the kind of person you are. For you show me what your idea of humanity is.
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Silence is as deep as eternity, speech a shallow as time.
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Silence is more eloquent than words.
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Silence is the element in which great things fashion themselves together.
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Speech is human, silence is divine, yet also brutish and dead: therefore we must learn both arts.
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Surely of all the 'rights of man', this right of the ignorant man to be guided by the wiser, to be, gently or forcibly, held in the true course by him, is the indisputablest.
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Talk that does not end in any kind of action is better suppressed altogether.
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Teach a parrot the terms "supply and demand" and you've got an economist.
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That monstrous tuberosity of civilized life, the capital of England.
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The actual well seen is ideal.
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The barrenest of all mortals is the sentimentalist.
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The block of granite which was an obstacle in the pathway of the weak, became a stepping-stone in the pathway of the strong.
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The courage we desire and prize is not the courage to die decently, but to live manfully.
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The cut of a garment speaks of intellect and talent and the color of temperament and heart.
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The depth of our despair measures what capability and height of claim we have to hope.
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The difference between Socrates and Jesus? The great conscious and the immeasurably great unconscious.
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The end of man is action, and not thought, though it be of the noblest.
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The eye sees what it brings the power to see.
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The fearful unbelief is unbelief in yourself.
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The first duty of man is to conquer fear; he must get rid of it, he cannot act till then.
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The foul sluggard's comfort: 'It will last my time.'
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The greatest of all faults, I should say, is to be conscious of none.
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The greatest of faults, I should say, is to be conscious of none.
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The mathematics of high achievement
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The merit of originality is not novelty; it is sincerity.
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The novel can't compete with cars, the movies, television, and liquor. A guy who's had a good feed and tanked up on good wine gives his old lady a kiss after supper and his day is over. Finished.
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The old cathedrals are good, but the great blue dome that hangs over everything is better.
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The only happiness a brave person ever troubles themselves in asking about, is happiness enough to get their work done.
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The outer passes away; the innermost is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
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The past is all holy to us; the dead are all holy; even they that were wicked when alive.
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The real use of gunpowder is to make all men tall.
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The spiritual is the parent of the practical.
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The three great elements of modern civilization, Gun powder, Printing, and the Protestant religion.
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The work an unknown good man has done is like a vein of water flowing hidden underground, secretly making the ground green.
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The world is a republic of mediocrities, and always was.
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There are good and bad times, but our mood changes more often than our fortune.
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There is a great discovery still to be made in literature, that of paying literary men by the quantity they do not write.
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This world, after all our science and sciences, is still a miracle wonderful, inscrutable, magical and more, to whosoever will think of it.
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Thought is the parent of the deed.
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Thought once awakened does not again slumber; unfolds itself into a System of Thought; grows, in man after man, generation after generation, - till its full stature is reached, and such System of Thought can grow no farther, but must give place to another.
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To reform a world, to reform a nation, no wise man will undertake; and all but foolish men know, that the only solid, though a far slower reformation, is what each begins and perfects on himself.
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True humor springs not more from the head than from the heart. It is not contempt; its essence is love. It issues not in laughter, but in still smiles, which lie far deeper.
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Under all speech that is good for anything there lies a silence that is better, Silence is deep as Eternity; speech is shallow as Time.
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We have profoundly forgotten everywhere that cash-payment is not the sole relation of human beings.
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Weak eyes are fondest of glittering objects.
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What we become depends on what we read after all of the professors have finished with us. The greatest university of all is a collection of books.
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What you see, but can't see over is as good as infinite.
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When new turns of behavior cease to appear in the life of the individual, its behavior ceases to be intelligent.
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When the oak is felled the whole forest echoes with it fall, but a hundred acorns are sown in silence by an unnoticed breeze.
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When we can drain the Ocean into mill-ponds, and bottle up the Force of Gravity, to be sold by retail, in gas jars; then may we hope to comprehend the infinitudes of man's soul under formulas of Profit and Loss; and rule over this too, as over a patent engine, by checks, and valves, and balances.
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Who soweth good seed shall surely reap; The year grows rich as it groweth old, And life's latest sands are its sands of gold!
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Woe to him that claims obedience when it is not due; woe to him that refuses it when it is.
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Wondrous is the strength of cheerfulness, and its power of endurance - the cheerful man will do more in the same time, will do it ;better, will preserve it longer, than the sad or sullen.
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Work alone is noble.
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Youth is to all the glad season of life; but often only by what it hopes, not by what it attains, or what it escapes.
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Patrick
12-06-2004, 05:36 PM
The novel can't compete with cars, the movies, television, and liquor. A guy who's had a good feed and tanked up on good wine gives his old lady a kiss after supper and his day is over. Finished.
Thomas Carlyle
How the hell did someone who died in 1881 comment on movies, never mind television? :confused:
Also, those Carlyle quotes don't strike me as particularly 'racialist.' More like something from Anthony Robbins. :rolleyes:
robinder
12-06-2004, 05:52 PM
How the hell did someone who died in 1881 comment on movies, never mind television? :confused:
That just shows further what a genius Carlyle was, you see.
"Teach a parrot the terms "supply and demand" and you've got an economist. "
I have always liked that one.
AntiYuppie
12-06-2004, 05:53 PM
His Scottish background notwithstanding, Carlyle lies outside any sort of "Anglo" tradition. Unlike most of his positivist contemporaries (disciples of Locke and of Utilitarianism), Carlyle was probably the most important thinker on the British Isles who was heavily influenced by Kantian epistemology, Hegelian dialectics, and Continental Romanticism. Therefore, his views on race (which were never central to his thinking) and on culture have more in common with Germanic thought than with the main currents of Anglo ideology.
In this respect he is similar to John Ruskin, another Continental Romantic on British soil.
Faust
12-07-2004, 02:45 AM
AntiYuppie,
And speaking of Immanuel Kant.
"I have known for quite some time that my grandfather, who lived in the Prussian-Lithuanian city of Tilsit, came originally from Scotland, that he was one of the many people who emigrated from there, for some reason that I do not know, toward the end of the last century and the beginning of this one."-Immanuel Kant
But I will say a good number of Englishmen did have thoughts very like Continental Romanticism and such ideas on race such people like John Ruskin and Carlyle. England always had it's share Wagnerites. And one thinks of writers such as Houston Stewart Chamberlain. And also Rudyard Kipling thoughts on race were not very PC.
otto_von_bismarck
12-07-2004, 03:47 AM
What was that called, in days of yore, when two men fought to determine who was right? It is on the tip of my tongue.
Are you perhaps referring to Trial by Combat or possibly a duel.
AntiYuppie
12-07-2004, 04:53 AM
AntiYuppie,
And speaking of Immanuel Kant.
But I will say a good number of Englishmen did have thoughts very like Continental Romanticism and such ideas on race such people like John Ruskin and Carlyle. England always had it's share Wagnerites. And one thinks of writers such as Houston Stewart Chamberlain. And also Rudyard Kipling thoughts on race were not very PC.
Certainly there were "Continental-Minded" Brits, but they (e.g. Ruskin and Carlyle) were outside the mainstream of Anglo thought. Houston Stewart Chamberlain was the black sheep of the Chamberlain family in a large part because of his views, and his general eccentricity. Furthermore, the majority of Wagner devotees in the British Isles were Scots or Irishmen (George Bernard Shaw being the most famous example) rather than Englishmen. There has always been a much closer affinity between the Celts and Continental European thought than between the Anglos and Continentals due to a number of complicated quirks of history (which is rather strange, since the English are largely descended from Saxon Germans and Normans).
Rudyard Kipling on the other hand represents the true Englishman's brand of racialism, the "white man's burden" apologist for Colonialism. This is very different in nature from the form of racialism that was cultivated on the Continent (particularly Germany), which emphasized separation rather than conquest.
Faust
12-07-2004, 05:41 AM
AntiYuppie,
Rudyard Kipling on the other hand represents the true Englishman's brand of racialism, the "white man's burden" apologist for Colonialism. This is very different in nature from the form of racialism that was cultivated on the Continent (particularly Germany), which emphasized separation rather than conquest.
I never thought of Kipling as "apologist for Colonialism." If anything I thought "white man's burden" was warning on foolishness of trying to better the savage.
Take up the White Man's burden--
And reap his old reward:
The blame of those ye better,
The hate of those ye guard--
The cry of hosts ye humour
Rudyard Kipling, The White Man's Burden (1899)
http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~wldciv/world_civ_reader/world_civ_reader_2/kipling.html
otto_von_bismarck
12-07-2004, 05:44 AM
AntiYuppie,
I never thought of Kipling as "apologist for Colonialism." If anything I thought "white man's burden" was warning on foolishness of trying to upleft the savage.Perhaps you'll like the grave of the hundred head better
http://www.wargames.co.uk/Poems/Grave.htm
Can't fucking format this right.
robinder
12-07-2004, 05:46 AM
I think "White Man's Burden" was written to encourage the US to annex and civilize the Phillipines after the the Spanish-American War.
FadeTheButcher
12-07-2004, 05:56 AM
I would argue that Carlyle can be placed solidly within the tradition of racial Anglo-Saxonism in Great Britain and America and that race was an essential aspect of his worldview. He was a powerful influence upon the later Victorian racialists as well like Froude. Indeed, he was one of the first great advocates of it. Carlyle saw no essential contradiction between his pan-Germanic (emphasis added) views and his Anglo-Saxonism. And neither have most proponents of that point of view, as they have traditionally complemented each other. It was also far more widespread than most people today are aware. The American Revolution was even justified on such grounds. Finally, Carlyle certainly had no objection to colonialism and the spread of the Anglo-Saxons throughout the world.
"A Saxon race, protected by an insular position, has stamped its diligent and methodic character on the century. And when a superior race, with a superior idea to work and order, advances, its state will be progressive . . . All is race; there is no other truth."
-- Benjamin Disraeli, Tancred (1847)
The myth of the Anglo-Saxons was transformed in the years from 1815 to 1830. Until the end of the eighteenth century the main use of the myth had been internal: in England to resist royal absolutism and to defend the broadening of political rights; in America to justify a revolution and the ending of a supposed royal domination. Anglo-Saxon institutions had been held up as a free, even democratic, model deserving modern emulation. But in the first decades of the nineteenth century Englishmen and Americans increasingly compared the Anglo-Saxon peoples to others and concluded that blood, not environment or accident, had led to their success. England and the United States had separated their institutions, but both countries were surging forward to positions of unprecedented power and prosperity. It was now argued that the explanation lay not in the institutions but in the innate characteristics of the race. The world was falling under the sway of the English and their American brethern because nature herself had decreed it.
In England the image of the free Anglo-Saxons that had persisted since at least the sixteenth century continued, but it was melded with ideas of Teutonic greatness and destiny developed by the comparative philologists and German nationalists and weith the concept of inherent Caucasian superiority developed by those interested in the science of man. Some, of course, resisted the headlong rush toward a racial explanation of history, but many were swept away in an emotional tide of racial theory. Year by the year the Anglo-Saxon doctrines that were being shaped were fed by the increasing power of Britain and the United States. This was an age in which the English language, English law, and English institutions seemed ready to dominate the world. The new racial ideas rapidly began to permeate English and American publications and found articulate and able spokesmen. A variety of threads were now woven into a new Anglo-Saxon racial tapestry.
Thomas Carlyle was the first great British writer to view Saxon triumphs as being clearly a product of racial superiority. This lowland Scot had little sympathy for the Celts, stressed the Norse origins of Scotland's population, and described Robert Burns as "one of the most considerable Saxon men of the Eighteenth century"; he was "a piece of the right Saxon stuff." For Carlyle Scotland fell within the great Norse complex of peoples. "From the Humber upwards," he wrote, "the Speech of the common people is still in a singular degree Icelandic; its Germanism has still a peculiar Norse tinge." Carlyle's inspiration was Germany, and among his mentors were Herder, Fichte, Goethe, Kant, Friedrich von Schlegel, and Novalis, but the passion of his arguments were peculiarly his own. He was imbued with a sense not only of the power of the individual hero, but also of the power of the individual race -- the Teutonic. He saw in the vigor of the race a transforming power in the world. Individual men and individual races were created unequal.
To Carlyle the Teutonic people were the whole amalgam of Germans, Norsemen, and Anglo-Saxons, including the English who had colonized throughout the world. Race was more important to him than any religious division: "at bottom, Danish and Norse and Saxon have no distinction, except a superficial one, -- as of Heathen and Christian, or the like." Odin was "the Type Norseman; the finest Teuton whom that race has yet produced." The old Norse sea kings were the "progenitors of our own Blakes and Nelsons!" Teutonism had revivified a Europe dominated by Rome, and now "once more, as at the end of the Roman Empire, a most confused epoch and yet one of the greatest, the Teutonic countries find themselves too full . . . And yet, if this small rim of Europe is overpeopled, does not everywhere else a whole vacant Earth as it were, call to us, Come and till me, come and reap me!" To Carlyle the earth was "empty" until settled, farmed, and governed by the Anglo-Saxons, as to many Americans the American Continent was "empty" until made productive by the expansion of the American people.
England and the Saxons, argued Carlyle, had been assigned two great tasks in world history: the industrial task of conquering "some half or more" of the planet "for the use of man" and the constitutional task of sharing the fruits of conquest "and showing all people how it might be done." The tribe of Saxons, "fashioned in the depths of Time, 'on the shores of the Black Sea' or elsewhere, 'out of Hartzgebirge rock'" still had this great work of conquest to accomplish: "No property is eternal but God the Maker's: whom Heaven permits to take possession, his is the right; Heaven's sanction is such permission." Carlyle would not accept the idea of a post-Conquest split between Saxons and Normans: the "Normans were Saxons who learned to speak French." For Carlyle the supreme destiny belonged to the race and its individual great men, not simply to the nation. "Of a truth," he wrote, "whomsoever had, with the bodily eye, seen Hengst and Horsa mooring on the mud-beach of Thanet, on that spring morning of the year 449; and then, with the spiritual eye, looked forward to New York, Calcutta, Sidney Cove, across the ages and the oceans; and thought what Wellingtons, Washingtons, Shakespeares, Miltons, Watts, Arkwrights, William Pitts and Davie Crocketts had to issue from the business, and do their several taskworks so, -- he would have said, those leatherboats of Hengst's had a kind of cargo in them!"
To Emerson, Carlyle wrote that he believed the great "Wen" of London might be for some centuries the meeting place for "all the Saxons," but after centuries "if Boston, New York, have become the most convenient "All Saxondom," we will right cheerfully go thither to hold such festival, and leave the Wen." The Saxons were a race destined for greatness and accomplishment; other races could be viewed as obstacles to progress. In his famous "Occasional Discourse on the Nigger Question" Carlyle wrote of the whole black population of the West Indies as "equalling almost in number of heads one of the Ridings of Yorkshire, and in worth (in quantity of intellect, faculty, docility, energy, and available human valour and value) perhaps one of the streets of Seven Dials." The West Indies now grew tropical fruits and spices; Carlyle hoped that they would on day grow "beautiful Heroic human Lives too, which is surely the ultimate object that they were made for: beautiful souls and brave; sages, poets, what not; making the Earth Nobler round them, as their kindred from of old have been doing; true 'splinters of the old Harz Rock'; heroic white men, worthy to be called old Saxons." Carlyle's popularity, both in England and in the United States, did much to disseminate the idea of a superior Anglo-Saxon race with a world mission to fulfill."
Reginald Horsmann, Race and Manifest Destiny: The Origins of American Racial Anglo-Saxonism (Cambridge, Mass: Harvard University Pres, 1981), pp.62-65
Faust
12-08-2004, 04:14 AM
More on Rudyard Kipling and "the White Man's burden."
The poem was written after the Spanish-American War, when the United States decided it, too, needed an empire. The tone of the poem is fatherly advice coupled with a warning from one imperialist to another. It says, in part, "Take up the White Man's burden and reap his old reward: The blame of those ye better, the hate of those ye guard." Does that line not strike a familiar chord in regard to our occupation of Iraq?
As a matter of fact, the poem is more warning than advice, because Kipling knew that no one appreciates an occupier, no matter how idealistic the occupier might be. The truth is that neither British nor American imperialism was or is idealistic. It has always been driven by economic or strategic interests.
Kipling's Back by Charley Reese
http://www.lewrockwell.com/reese/reese107.html
It should be remembered that more than one hundred years ago, the
British poet Rudyard Kipling wrote his famous poem about what he
styled as "the white man's burden"--a warning about the
responsibilities of empire that was directed not at London but at
Washington and its new-found imperial responsibilities in the
Philippines. It is not clear if President George W. Bush is a reader
of poetry or of Kipling. But Kipling's sentiments are as relevant
today as they were when the poem was written in the aftermath of the
Spanish-American War. (July 17, 2003)
Kipling, the 'White Man's Burden,' and U.S. Imperialism
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1132/is_6_55/ai_111269066
The term "White Man's Burden" has been used by anti-Whites to "prove" the evil exploitation of non-Whites by White "Gentiles". "White Man's Burden" is the title of a poem by Rudyard Kipling. After reading the poem many times, I wonder how the anti-Whites can miss Kipling's warning of the horrendous price paid when dealing with non-Whites. Apparently the term "White Man's Burden" has been so useful that the words of the poem have been ignored.
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The cycle of "caring" becoming having to "care for" with the blood money of White taxpayers is a lesson learned over and over. When the governments of White nations "care for" other races, eventually Whites who never benefitted from supposed economic imperialism will be blamed for everything wrong in the lives of the other races. If enough of us understand the dynamics of interracial endeavors and the all too predictable outcomes, perhaps we can finally free ourselves from the burdens we always end up carrying.
Rudyard Kipling wrote "The White Man's Burden" in 1899 as the government of the U.S.A. was involved in the war against Spain. Cuba, Puerto Rico and the Phillipines were theatres of action. All became burdens to the U.S.A. taxpayer.
Rudyard Kipling "The White Man's Burden"
http://www.wakeupordie.com/html/kipling1.html
This poem is by the only great poet who was also an expicitly White racialist - Rudyard Kipling.In 1899 the United States invaded the Philippines, putting an end to its tradition of non-interference in foreign countries. Europe thought this was the beginning of an imperial America, taking colonies like the European empires. Kipling wrote this poem as a welcome to 'the club', but also as a warning. He had spent most of his life in India, and had seen how the British worked themselves into an early grave to serve the natives, and received nothing but resentment and ingratitude in return. Kipling was perceptive enough to see that Whites and non-Whites have entirely different mental attitudes, and nothing will ever change that. He knew that, once the British Empire withdrew, the non-white colonies would revert to what they were before. Our generation knows just how right he was. So on the one hand, Kipling is encouraging America to 'take up the white man's burden' of empire, but on the other hand he's saying, "why on earth would you want to? All your work will be a waste of time." The last line tells us why it's worth it - "the judgment of your peers". America will at last be on equal terms with Europe, a member of the great white family of nations.Well, that little dream didn't last very long!
White poem no.2 - The White Man's Burden
http://www.stormfront.org/archive/t-159082White_poem_no.2_-_The_White_Man's_Burden.html
Rudyard Kipling
http://www.victorianstation.com/authorkipling.htm
Shane
12-08-2004, 02:46 PM
James Anthony Froude
So too, in his English in Ireland (1872-1874), which was written to show thc futility of attempts to conciliate the Irish, he exaggerates the bad points of the Irish, touches lightly on English atrocities,and emphasizes the influence of Roman Catholicism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholicism).
Captain John Chichester (officer incharge of a military party in South Wicklow) on his reports for burning 16 Irish towns in the Aughrim-Shillelagh district "...taking 140 head of cattle...besides other killings...four or five kerne and as many others as were in five cabins...good news...could have either kine or killing...have some killing...had the killing of divers...many churles, women, and children...lost while they were killing, 500 kine which they saw."
Froude - "In justice to these English soldiers, however, it must be said that it was no fault of theirs if any child of that generation was allowed to live to manhood."
FadeTheButcher
12-08-2004, 03:38 PM
I don't agree with Froude on the point.
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