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Carrigan
11-09-2004, 04:57 PM
Early Chinese Explorations:
Early but expensive explorations

History sometimes provides analogies to current events, in this case, to the United States' near abandonment of space exploration after the voyages to the moon.

Back in the early 1400s, the Chinese government funded a massive overseas explorations program. It was expensive and successful. Admiral Cheng Ho led 20,000 sailors and soldiers across the Indian Ocean to Zanzibar. But to reduce the government deficit, later voyages were cancelled.

It would have been possible for Cheng Ho to sail around Africa to Europe in the 1420s or 1430s.

Suppose he had, 70 years before Vasco de Gamma did the reverse?

The Chinese fleet would have been safe from attack by anyone.

The Chinese could have monopolized the trade between east and west and made a fortune, as the governments of Portugal and Spain actually did a century later. From the Chinese point of view, the foreigners would have paid for the deficit!

The Chinese might even have monopolized sea-trade among European countries, as the Europeans later did in Asia. (As a side effect, western Europe might never have developed the law-based bourgeois capitalism with which we are familiar.)

The actual, later European voyages were smaller and less expensive than the Chinese ventures. They were successful because they used more advanced technologies. (In the early 1400s, the Europeans lacked the technology to defeat a Chinese fleet; later, they would have defeated the Chinese had the Chinese kept their fleet in being.) Within 20 years of De Gama's voyage, the Portuguese were able to defeat the various Asian fleets that did try to fight them. And the Portuguese made huge profits, both for merchants and for government.

There may be a lesson here for us would-be space developers: you can do the job with backward technology, by spending lots of money and being first. However, if your government decides to save revenues, your initial successes may become no more than forgotten memories, while others gain control of your trade and your economic system.

It goes without saying that chemically-fuelled rockets are an expensive and backward technology compared to nuclear-thermal or air-breathing aerospikes; and I need not remind you that the Apollo and Shuttle programs have generated less revenue for the U.S. government than Cheng Ho's voyages did for his.

No one has yet gone that extra distance in space, to bring back and sell an amount equal to a year's current production of all the major metals in the world.

http://www.rattlesnake.com/notions/chinese-exploration.html

Carrigan
11-09-2004, 04:59 PM
Did Columbus discover Chinese food in America?
Copyright © 2003
Christian Science Monitor Service
By WAYNE E. YANG, Christian Science Monitor

(January 9, 2003 3:28 p.m. EST) - In the early years of the 15th century,
Chinese Admiral Zheng He and his commanders unfurled their sails and embarked
in great teak junks, boats so enormous that each could "swallow 50 fishing
ships." These flagships were the centerpiece of armadas manned by thousands,
sometimes tens of thousands, of sailors on scores of vessels.

"The great armada's ships could remain at sea for over three months and
cover at least 4,500 miles without making landfall to replenish food or water,
for separate grain ships and water tankers sailed with them," writes Gavin
Menzies in his provocatively titled "1421: The Year the Chinese Discovered
America."

By the 1420s, the Chinese had six centuries of experience in ocean
navigation. Their ships carried fresh vegetables, and the sailors knew how to
desalinate seawater. That Zheng He's ships plied the waters from China to
India, the Arab states of the Gulf and the East African seaboard is widely
acknowledged, though not usually well noted in the West.

Menzies, a former Royal Navy submarine commander, would have us believe
that these ambitions ultimately encompassed world exploration. He explains that
accounts of the final great voyages of Zheng He's fleets were "deliberately
destroyed" by a Chinese Empire that suddenly turned inward when natural
disasters were taken as signs that the dynastic rule was endangered. But these
"missing years of 1421 through 1423" were years of great adventure, when,
according to Menzies, the Chinese were the first to round the Cape of Good
Hope, to reach the Americas, and to circumnavigate the world.

http://www.possibility.com/epowiki/Wiki.jsp?page=ChineseExploration

Carrigan
11-09-2004, 05:01 PM
"Cheng Ho, court eunuch and great admiral of the Ming Dynasty, led Chinese fleets on seven voyages of conquest and diplomacy, between 1405 and 1433. As a result of Cheng Ho's voyages, which ranged as far as West Africa, 36 countries sent tribute to China. However, in 1433, the eunuchs' opponents gained the upper hand in a power struggle in the Chinese court, and the fleets stopped, shipyards were dismantled, and outbound shipping was forbidden. Had these voyages continued, it is possible that the Chinese would have "discovered" America before Columbus."

http://www.sentex.net/~ajy/facts/exploration.html

Erzsébet Báthory
11-10-2004, 09:49 PM
Intriguing stuff, please keep it coming.

Faust
11-11-2004, 02:48 AM
Anonymous,

Yes Intriguing stuff, but I think Gavin Menzies' "1421: The Year China Discovered America" has been pretty well proven nonsense.