What say you?

What say you?

I say ROFL

Yeah, it purposely tanked itself so that it can be plundered of its natural wealth by outside agents and surrounded by NATO bases.

Sounds like a real winner of a game plan.

To continue.....this has to be the most ludicrous theory since the one about Hitler being a Rothschild agent used to destroy Germany and kill Jews so that Israel could be created.

Some people need to have their internet removed.

Do you suppose the former members of the Warsaw Pact which have since joined the EU are trojan horses for the New World Order? That must be hard, faking their own poverty and all. :/

Do you suppose the former members of the Warsaw Pact which have since joined the EU are trojan horses for the New World Order? That must be hard, faking their own poverty and all. :/

That's how they cover their tracks, bro.

To continue.....this has to be the most ludicrous theory since the one about Hitler being a Rothschild agent used to destroy Germany and kill Jews so that Israel could be created.LOL yeah. Do you suppose there is any chance the Third Reich faked its demise too?

To continue.....this has to be the most ludicrous theory since the one about Hitler being a Rothschild agent used to destroy Germany and kill Jews so that Israel could be created.

Some people need to have their internet removed.Isn't Askel5 a fellow adherent to this retarded comic book theory. The one about the Soviet Union not Hitler.

LOL yeah. Do you suppose there is any chance the Third Reich faked its demise too?

A poster known as Loner, now incarcerated in the fine Wisconsin penal system, would tell you that the Bush dynasty is currently leading the 4th Reich, since the 3rd Reich did indeed fake its own demise.

Isn't Askel5 a fellow adherent to this retarded comic book theory. The one about the Soviet Union not Hitler.

Looks like.

A poster known as Loner, now incarcerated in the fine Wisconsin penal system, would tell you that the Bush dynasty is currently leading the 4th Reich, since the 3rd Reich did indeed fake its own demise.


The Martin Bormann cryptocracy got him. BTW I thought he was busted in Texas.

Gorbachev came to Auburn a year or so ago and gave us a lecture. Its too bad we didn't have this debate earlier. I could have asked him about it, why he is faking being out of power.

Ok, whose been watching that Simpsons' episode one too many times?

Gorbachev came to Auburn a year or so ago and gave us a lecture. Its too bad we didn't have this debate earlier. I could have asked him about it, why he is faking being out of power.

Yes, his 0.5% ratings approval and popularity in Russia is part of this ruse.

Ok, whose been watching that Simpsons' episode one too many times?

That was a hilarious episode, which makes the fact that someone believes it to be true to be even funnier.

The success of the "No" vote only illustrates how skillful the Jews have been at fooling you all. :mad:

The success of the "No" vote only illustrates how skillful the Jews have been at fooling you all. :mad:The Phora is a ZOG False Flag operation.

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The Soviet Union tried reforming itself, by Gorbaciov. It finally ended up in a bit of chaos, since there were too many conglomerates kept together by force, fear and violence.

Russia, by itself, will always remain a very important and menacing world power (at least for its neighbouring regions), in spite of the current economical problems, which imo, will be overcome in 20 years time from now on.

If your logic was that since the USSR was economically broken in the form it was and it needed a reform in order to be able to regain a leading role in the world, even if this could take many years, I think you are wrong, one cannot do such a plan, without thinking to possible dangerous uncontrollable deviations.

If your logic was that since the USSR was economically broken in the form it was and it needed a reform in order to be able to regain a leading role in the world, even if this could take many years, I think you are wrong, one cannot do such a plan, without thinking to possible dangerous uncontrollable deviations.Aren't you a Romanian, marius? What is the status of the Communist Party in Romania?

I remember hearing something about this "theory" during the first Gulf War. At that time it made a little bit of sense since the collapse of the Soviet Union was still a relatively recent event. As best I recall the theory I heard was built around

(1) The shifting of NATO military power to the Persian Gulf
(2) Gorbachev dropping Perestroika and rolling through Western Europe
with the still (at that time) formidable Soviet army
(3) And that somehow (2) was planned for all along, including somehow causing the withdrawal of forces from Europe through a diversion in the Middle East

I didn't believe it then, though I guess I didn't completely rule it out. There seemed to be a grain of truth, or at least plausibility, to what I remember reading. However, almost fifteen years on there are still people humping this idea? I can't think of any way you could make it sound the least bit plausible.

Ok, whose been watching that Simpsons' episode one too many times?
I wouldn't skoff it Perun. Putin is a man who isn't afraid to get peas by using a knife!

Looks to me like the Nays have it.

Aren't you a Romanian, marius? What is the status of the Communist Party in Romania?

Yes, I am.
You are always asking me the most difficult questions. :) You provoke me to write too much. :)

Well, there are a few party formations, cause I cannot call them different, but they do not mean anything. These consider themselves as communists and so on. Well, now, in all the other party formations are people who once were not top ranking PCR (Partidul Comunist Român) members, but let's say third level ranking members. In fact, these guys have today much of the wealth existing in Romania. An important number of them is now in what it's called today PSD (Partidul Social-Democrat), who won the elections in 2000. Btw, we'll have elections soon.

So, if you like, this is the current status of the old PCR in Romania. As I understood, something similar is in Hungary and also in the Czech Republic or Poland. But I am not sure.

I wouldn't skoff it Perun. Putin is a man who isn't afraid to get peas by using a knife!


LOL. He also knows what the poop deck is.

Supposedly the Soviet Union is supposed to openly be re-created in 2007(?) Its within 5 years or so. We'll find out then.

Supposedly the Soviet Union is supposed to openly be re-created in 2007(?) Its within 5 years or so. We'll find out then.

Russia can't even pay its military enough to handle Chechnya, let alone engage in a massive campaign to re-conquer all its former states (http://wps.prenhall.com/wps/media/objects/264/270888/Fig.%209.13%20Newly%20independent%20states%20of%20the%20former%20Soviet%20Union.gif). What is the source of your information?

This theory is the dumbest I've ever heard. But what do I know, I only lived there for a long time.

This theory is the dumbest I've ever heard. But what do I know, I only lived there for a long time.
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This is a fascinating conspiracy theory: one of the few conspiracy theories I know of that I would consider compelling. It sounds utterly preposterous only until you have seen the arguments. No, I don't believe a word of it, of course; but it is pretty compelling, so far as conspiracy theories go. However, if the Soviet Union faked its own demise, it would be like playing dead by shooting itself in the head.

There is a forum devoted to this theory:

http://p080.ezboard.com/bthefinalphase

Its hard to say, but the decades of Communism certainly left a trace especially on the mind-set of the people. Perhaps the NATO and EU expansion, the Iraq war and capitalist tycoonization, made Russians nostalgic and eager to revive the cold war antagonisms.

Statistically, it looks like the right, and even the far right, is going to emerge more prominent in Russia than the Communists will. Russians only revere their former status as a superpower, the ones that want to bring back Communism are a bunch of old fucks that like bread lines.

Russia needs a strong state and a strong leader, I think the people know this. I do not think they want to completely obliterate private enterprise again for that end, though. Ymir, Ixabert and the RATM revolutionaries can keep hoping, though.*

As for Russia's performance in Chechnya, nobody truly knows how it is. I do not believe the Western media anymore than I believe the Russian media regarding this matter. According to some Russian sources, we were suffering far more losses in Iraq than our own media claimed.

In the end, I think the Russians will pull through in Chechnya - they just need to rediscover their Stalinistic brutality. A few more school massacres that make Columbine look like a game of cops and robbers will probably do that to them. That and they no longer have any independent media to talk about the 'evils' of the war or how 'evil' their next airstrike will be. With the U.S in Iraq, though, I am not sure that this will be the case. We do not have the willpower to stay there long and we cry about losing one thousand people. That, and the only way to subdue a guerrila war of this nature is to start razing villages - which I also doubt we will do.

* - Sorry guys, the proletariat revolution was meant to be a bunch of dumb teenagers randomly protesting and getting their asses handed to them by police with batons. Marx knew this, that is why he died saying he was not a Marxist. Continue the struggle!

Its hard to say, but the decades of Communism certainly left a trace especially on the mind-set of the people. Perhaps the NATO and EU expansion, the Iraq war and capitalist tycoonization, made Russians nostalgic and eager to revive the cold war antagonisms.


"The Russian people demand either bread or Empire. If they can't have one, they expect the other."