What do the members here think of the popular music known as the Blues? What do you think of musicians like B.B. King, Muddy Waters, John Lee Hooker, Robert Johnson, and T-Bone Walker? Everyone's heard of the first two, but if you've heard of the last three, you know you're a Blues fan! :)

For those who aren't that familiar with the Blues, or don't know what it is, I invite you to listen to these samples of famous Blues songs:
Robert Johnson's "Crossroads Blues" (http://en.wikipedia.org/upload/7/71/Crossroads.ogg)
The world-famous Leadbelly "Where Did Ya Sleep Last Night?" (http://en.wikipedia.org/upload/5/5e/WhereDidYouSleepLastNight.ogg)

I hate the blues. Listening to it gets on my nerves.

I hate the blues. Listening to it gets on my nerves.Why? It makes most people feel relaxed

Why? It makes most people feel relaxed


Classical music makes me feel relaxed.

Classical music makes me feel relaxed.Yeah, but that's no reason why The Blues would get on your nerves...

Yeah, but that's no reason why The Blues would get on your nerves...


But it does. I can't stand Jazz that has a bluesy sound either.

But it does. I can't stand Jazz that has a bluesy sound either.I don't know what you mean. The Blues is not an irritating sound like Rap or Heavy Metal. Also, the Blues and Jazz were/are very popular in Germany and other parts of Europe, so it can't be a racial thing why you don't like them

I don't like Chicago Blues as much. Too 'jazzy.'
I still prefer Delta Blues.

My favs are probably Howlin' Wolf and John Lee Hooker. And of course I know who Robert Johnson and T-Bone Walker are. I've got some Little Milton, Son House, Willie Dixon, lots of Elmore James, quite a bit of Bo Diddley, lots of Buddy Guy, some Bill Broonzy, some Albert Collins, and some more that don't come to mind right away. Of course I like the best white blues singers too, specifically Led Zeppelin and George Thorogood.

I don't like Chicago Blues as much. Too 'jazzy.'
I still prefer Delta Blues.

My favs are probably Howlin' Wolf and John Lee Hooker. And of course I know who Robert Johnson and T-Bone Walker are. I've got some Little Milton, Son House, Willie Dixon, lots of Elmore James, quite a bit of Bo Diddley, lots of Buddy Guy, some Bill Broonzy, some Albert Collins, and some more that don't come to mind right away. Of course I like the best white blues singers too, specifically Led Zeppelin and George Thorogood.Do you know the famous legend about Robert Johnson?

Do you know the famous legend about Robert Johnson?

Duh. Who doesn't? ;) What else would the song Crossroads be about? I've been in that part of the Delta, actually, but of course there are many conflicting stories as to which is the 'real' crossroads.

Duh. Who doesn't? ;) What else would the song Crossroads be about? I've been in that part of the Delta, actually, but of course there are many conflicting stories as to which is the 'real' crossroads.Of all the famous legends around famous musicians, that one is still alive today as strong as ever, two generations later. That's a testament to his true greatness. He was truly a master of the Blues and inspired the best Blues artists of the next generation. Hell, Johnson's legend alone has inspired songs, decades later! ("The Devil Went Down To Georgia" is similiar to the Robert Johnson legend)
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Am I allowed to upload music files on this forum? just short clips of famous Blues songs I mean, 30 seconds or less...I hope I can so I can get people to hear the greatest Blues songs, not the mediocre clips I find floating around the net

I don't like Chicago Blues as much. Too 'jazzy.'
I still prefer Delta Blues.

I remember listening to a band at the Montreal Jazz Festival many years ago. I think his name was Alain Caron. I was really impressed. I think he did acid fusion.

I like it, but can't listen to it for long.

:: What do the members here think of the popular music known as the Blues? What do you think of musicians like B.B. King, Muddy Waters, John Lee Hooker, Robert Johnson, and T-Bone Walker?

I hate the Blues. I hate Jazz too. Now imagine how I feel about hip-hop.

:: What do the members here think of the popular music known as the Blues? What do you think of musicians like B.B. King, Muddy Waters, John Lee Hooker, Robert Johnson, and T-Bone Walker?

I hate the Blues. I hate Jazz too. Now imagine how I feel about hip-hop.

I can only appreciate the Blues in a cultural-historical sense...I would never listen to it for the sake of pleasure.

Jazz is such a wide variety of music that anyone can find at least one genre somewhat likeable, while finding most others detestable.

I am a fan of some hip-hop. I figure that's heresy around here.

I am a fan of some hip-hop. I figure that's heresy around here.

It's ok only if by 'some' you mean one or two songs by Run DMC. Three songs at the most.

It's ok only if by 'some' you mean one or two songs by Run DMC. Three songs at the most.

Some of the best hip hop is created by those whose political views would earn a bullet in the head from me.

It's purely for the music, not for the imagery, "culture", etc.

Like all popular music, 80% of it is utter crap......

:: What do the members here think of the popular music known as the Blues? What do you think of musicians like B.B. King, Muddy Waters, John Lee Hooker, Robert Johnson, and T-Bone Walker?

I hate the Blues. I hate Jazz too. Now imagine how I feel about hip-hop.Niccolo and Donkey is right. Everyone likes Jazz. I mean, it's such a broad genre, 99% of people would find some sort of Jazz that they like. Blues is sort of the same way, it's also fairly broad, and if you look around enough, you'll find some good Blues that you like

Hip-Hop has next to nothing to do with the Blues and Jazz. The old Bluesmen mostly can't stand Rap and Hip-Hop. The only real connection between Jazz, the Blues, and Hip-Hop is that they are all genres that are associated with Blacks; other than that there is no connection that I see/hear.

I am a fan of some hip-hop. I figure that's heresy around here.Some Hip-Hop is alright, but 98% of it is total garbage IMO. The earlier hip-hop music was better than it is today. Today it's terrible. I figure hip-hop can't last very much longer in pop culture; I expect that before 2010 people will be making fun of hip-hop in much the same way that people made fun of disco after it 'died'.

Some Hip-Hop is alright, but 98% of it is total garbage IMO. The earlier hip-hop music was better than it is today. Today it's terrible. I figure hip-hop can't last very much longer in pop culture; I expect that before 2010 people will be making fun of hip-hop in much the same way that people made fun of disco after it 'died'.

I've been listening to hip hop since my older cousins got me into it in the mid-80's (before most blacks in Toronto were into it) and have watched it progress from dance music to political, to "gangsta", and now to materialism.

It's interesting how the big recording companies pushed the "gangsta" thing in the late 80's to head off the rise in Black Nationalist hip hop.

:: Niccolo and Donkey is right. Everyone likes Jazz.

And that is one good reason not to like Jazz.

:: I mean, it's such a broad genre, 99% of people would find some sort of Jazz that they like.

Somewhere in the neighbourhood of 99% of people have no real taste or culture either. Something like 40% of Americans urinate in the shower. Should we follow their example?

:: Blues is sort of the same way, it's also fairly broad, and if you look around enough, you'll find some good Blues that you like

I dislike blues. I dislike jazz. I have never encountered any type of blues or jazz that I have enjoyed. The sound of a machine gun: that's awesome. The sound of a nuclear warhead exploding over Tel Aviv: that's beautiful.

:: Hip-Hop has next to nothing to do with the Blues and Jazz.

Where did hip-hop, blues, and jazz come from?

:: The old Bluesmen mostly can't stand Rap and Hip-Hop. The only real connection between Jazz, the Blues, and Hip-Hop is that they are all genres that are associated with Blacks; other than that there is no connection that I see/hear.

Consequents have antecedents.

:: Niccolo and Donkey is right. Everyone likes Jazz.

And that is one good reason not to like Jazz.

:: I mean, it's such a broad genre, 99% of people would find some sort of Jazz that they like.

Somewhere in the neighbourhood of 99% of people have no real taste or culture either. Something like 40% of Americans urinate in the shower. Should we follow their example?

:: Blues is sort of the same way, it's also fairly broad, and if you look around enough, you'll find some good Blues that you like

I dislike blues. I dislike jazz. I have never encountered any type of blues or jazz that I have enjoyed. The sound of a machine gun: that's awesome. The sound of a nuclear warhead exploding over Tel Aviv: that's beautiful.

:: Hip-Hop has next to nothing to do with the Blues and Jazz.

Where did hip-hop, blues, and jazz come from?

:: The old Bluesmen mostly can't stand Rap and Hip-Hop. The only real connection between Jazz, the Blues, and Hip-Hop is that they are all genres that are associated with Blacks; other than that there is no connection that I see/hear.

Consequents have antecedents.

I'm certainly no fan of n***ers. But it's been well-known for some time that they are 'rhythmically inclined' and I do enjoy many blues songs. There is a world of difference between listening to a buck n***er sing and letting him within 500 yards of one's daughters.

I like Leadbelly, Robert Johnson, John Lee Hooker, Howlin' Wolf, Willie Dixon, and Muddy Waters.

I like Leadbelly, Robert Johnson, John Lee Hooker, Howlin' Wolf, Willie Dixon, and Muddy Waters.

F***, how could I forget Leadbelly!

:: Niccolo and Donkey is right. Everyone likes Jazz.

And that is one good reason not to like Jazz.

:: I mean, it's such a broad genre, 99% of people would find some sort of Jazz that they like.

Somewhere in the neighbourhood of 99% of people have no real taste or culture either. Something like 40% of Americans urinate in the shower. Should we follow their example?Wow. Can you hear me up there in that Ivory Tower? Insulting everyone and claiming they're below you. Real nice
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You said "99% of Americans have no culture" ...I gotta tell ya, culture is merely what people make of it. The fact that America has produced an incredible amount of original music and paved the way for many popular genres over the past 3 generations would actually suggest that America has more culture than stale old Europe. What new genres of music has Europe come up with in the past 3 generations?

Where did hip-hop, blues, and jazz come from?Hip-hop has next to nothing to do with Jazz and the Blues.

F***, how could I forget Leadbelly!Huddie 'Leadbelly' Ledbetter, "King of the Twelve String Guitar". He was one of the greatest, that's for sure. You both have great taste in music, Striborg and Johnson, that's for sure :)

The fact that America has produced an incredible amount of original music and paved the way for many popular genres over the past 3 generations would actually suggest that America has more culture than stale old Europe.
So far as I'm concerned, anyone who uses the phrase "stale old Europe" has no credibility whatsoever, especially regarding culture.

So far as I'm concerned, anyone who uses the phrase "stale old Europe" has no credibility whatsoever, especially regarding culture.Well, what new genres has Europe come up with in the past century? Ten? Five? Two? One? Oh, that's right, Zero

Well, what new genres has Europe come up with in the past century? Ten? Five? Two? One? Oh, that's right, Zero

Geez...should we start with electronica?

Or how's about Eastern European "turbo-folk"?

Geez...should we start with electronica?

Or how's about Eastern European "turbo-folk"?Electronia comes from the United States. Techno also comes from USA originially

mmmm, Black Metal

eurodance :P

mmmm, Black MetalThat's not a new genre, it's so cloesly related to Heavy Metal, which I don't think was European. Although I'm not sure because I can't stand that type of music, so naturally I don't know much about it

I also forgot some of the less prolific, but still entertaining, blues artists. Arthur Big Boy Crudup's original version of That's All Right Mama is at least as good as Elvis' later cover (Elvis' version of Mystery Train stands alone though). I think Elvis covered Hound Dog from Big Mama Thornton too, didn't he? I haven't been able to find the original version. Etta James' "At Last" bears mentioning too. Have you guys heard any Joe Turner? It's basically blues but sounds like it has more honky-tonk, jazz and ragtime influences. Shake, Rattle and Roll (far superior to the later Bill Haley cover which had the sexual references edited out); Flip, Flop, Fly; a cover of Midnight Special, and some others I can't recall right away.

:: Wow. Can you hear me up there in that Ivory Tower?

Its nice up here.

:: Insulting everyone and claiming they're below you. Real nice

Well. Its true...

:: You said "99% of Americans have no culture" ...I gotta tell ya, culture is merely what people make of it.

Hmm. What should we call this? Cultural Bolshevisim? This is a good opportunity for me to use a Hitlerism:

"When his friend Heinrich Hoffmann asked him why he had not become an architect instead of a politician, he responded that he preferred to be the master builder of the Third Reich, in that way combining the role of ruler and artist. The notion that Europe had reached the end of its civilizing mission and that that role had now passed to the United States and the Soviet Union was one that he bitterly contested. As he said in a speech in 1938: 'The world will come to Germany and convince itself that Germany has become the guardian of European culture and civilization. When I read of other countries, and particularly of democratic countries, that they are called upon to protect culture, I say, "First built up a little more culture yourselves and then you can protect it."'

Adolf Hitler quoted by Frederic Spotts, Hitler and the Power of Aesthetics (Woodstock & New York: The Overlook Press, 2004), pp.28-29

:: The fact that America has produced an incredible amount of original music and paved the way for many popular genres over the past 3 generations would actually suggest that America has more culture than stale old Europe.

Or perhaps it suggests that 'culture' has lost whatever meaning it used to have since Americans (especially Jews like Franz Boas) vulgarized the term, because in previous centuries, a 'cultured' person (e.g., a gentleman) was considered to be an exceptional individual with 'cultivated' tastes. This distinguished him from what he was not, that being, the crude, disgusting, unsophisticated masses: the type of people who confuse noise with music.

:: What new genres of music has Europe come up with in the past 3 generations?

'Europe' ceased to exist about three generations ago, after it was carved up by the USA and USSR. Very few 'Europeans' remain in Europe. Its populated today mostly by mere human beings.

That's not a new genre, it's so cloesly related to Heavy Metal, which I don't think was European. Although I'm not sure because I can't stand that type of music, so naturally I don't know much about it

Metal can trace its roots back to Black Sabbath, from England.

Vanessa, to some, heavy metal is any music played by some person with long hair, using a guitar.

I can't stand blues myself.

Vanessa, to some, heavy metal is any music played by some person with long hair, using a guitar.


*cringes* I'm not too fond of the term 'heavy metal' anyway.

Who decides whether black metal too closely resembles heavy metal to be a new genre of its own? I for one think that it is a seperate genre.

The whole 'genre' concept applying to modern music is a direct consequence of people trying to take credit for something people who resembled them had nothing to do with.

The whole 'genre' concept applying to modern music is a direct consequence of people trying to take credit for something people who resembled them had nothing to do with.

It is just a consequence of naming and labelling things. The genres of music and art are influenced by the ones before it, the lines between many often quite blurred. Usually when a new 'significant' genre in music is defined it is because there was a subculture, counterculture, some sort of movement behind it. Or the invention of a new medium/instrument (electronic music is a good modern example of that).

Well, what new genres has Europe come up with in the past century? Ten? Five? Two? One? Oh, that's right, Zero
At least ten separate electronic, neoclassical, and metal-oriented genres...

That's not a new genre, it's so cloesly related to Heavy Metal, which I don't think was European. Although I'm not sure because I can't stand that type of music, so naturally I don't know much about it

In other words, you are ignorant.

The Blues were also closely related to musical forms that preceded it, such as slave hollers and spirituals.

If you were not ignorant, you would notice that black metal and traditional metal (I'm not even going into the numerous other subgenres, since it's not needed to make it clear) are so radically different from one another, probably a lot more so than the blues vs church spirituals.

You are also ignorant about the origins of heavy metal.

As for your question, I get absolutely nil out of blues or jazz. I do not relate to it.

I have also come to the conclusion that people who have already decided that only America is worth paying attention to in regards to music have shut out other countries, and thus remain the some of the most musically ignorant people on the planet.

At least ten separate electronic, neoclassical, and metal-oriented genres...

And folk-oriented genres that may cross into electronic, neoclassical, and metal. Numerous experimental genres.

Military bombast, darkwave, neofolk, list goes on and keeps growing while America is still feeding off pop corpses and claiming musical superiority based on a small handful of innovations created decades ago.

ok, admittedly I went overboard in saying that Europe hasn't come up with any new music genres at all in the past 3 genreations. I was just riled up after Fade said that Americans were all cultureless bumpkins. America is responsible for so much new music and so many new music genres that it's foolish to say America is cultureless.

That's not to say Europe hasn't come up with any new types of music though, because of course they have. But you have to admit, even the genres that Europe has come up with have been heavily influenced by America. Weren't all the British groups of the "British Invasion" period heavily influenced by American music? They were all influenced by Rock and Roll music and sometimes other American genres as well. Even Led Zeppelin was heavily influenced by American music. Jimmy Page and Robert Plant were huge Blues fans, in fact "Whole Lotta Love" and some other Zeppelin songs were actually written by an American Bluesman, Willie Dixon. Led Zeppelin also copied, almost word for word, Leadbelly's "Gallis Pole", in their song "Gallows Pole"

You are also ignorant about the origins of heavy metal.I know that. I can't stand Heavy Metal so I know very little about it. I do know that the Heavy Metal bands were all heavily influenced by American music though

Hello? It's 2004 now. There is more music out there than that which was made before the 70's. Stale indeed!

"Heavy Metal" has progressed to the point where it's almost an absurdity to lump it all into one genre. It has grown into a plural and moved on from Black Sabbath. Listen to Summoning, then Blind Guardian, then Falkenbach, then Therion, then Graveland, then diSEMBOWELMENT, then Falconer, then Mortuary Drape, then Ayreon, then Doomsword, etc, and tell me if it makes sense to lump all of that into the same genre as Black Sabbath, then say that none of it is innovative or different because Black Sabbath was influenced by American bands.

Hello? It's 2004 now. There is more music out there than that which was made before the 70's. Stale indeed!You're right! There is lots of new music since then. What's the most popular music today in Europe and America? Hip-Hop. Where did it come from? America! IMO America probably shouldn't be too proud about creating Hip-Hop/Rap, but that doesn't change the fact that it is one of if not the most popular types of music going today.
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Techno and Electronica are products of the of the last 20 years. Where did they come from? America

The music which is most popular is a fraction of the music that is made and available. As a matter of fact, popular music is most often the most stale form of music, since it tends to be a rehash and dumbed down version of what has already come and gone from the innovative underground.

Someone who focuses on pop music to learn about what's really happening out there, musically, condemns himself to complete ignorance.

The music which is most popular is a fraction of the music that is made and available. As a matter of fact, popular music is most often the most stale form of music, since it tends to be a rehash and dumbed down version of what has already come and gone from the innovative underground.

Someone who focuses on pop music to learn about what's really happening out there, musically, condemns himself to complete ignorance.I agree with you, Hip-Hop is a sad excuse for popular music, at least today's Hip-Hop is. Nevertheless, it is undeniably popular, and also an American innovation, that was my only point

Now let's dissect your argument about how the only important innovations are a bare original.

Let's say that an American somewhere formed one mediocre electronica band first. Then, let's say that Europeans see this and say "Hmm... we can do a lot more with this idea", then they move on to make multiple subgenres of art infused with their own ideas and inspirations from their cultural background that progress, grow, change, and amount to a lot more than the original American band accomplished. America, in the meantime, putters in the same rut. This is a hypothetical, but according to your logic, this would mean that "America" is full of more musical innovation and Europe is "stale".

I'll demonstrate my point right now. You waved off European innovation in metal because you claim it was all derived from British bands who were influenced by American bands. Using that logic, this band (http://Ritkhan.homestead.com/files/Summoning_-_Dagor_Bragollach.mp3) is not innovative, because it was derived from black metal, which was derived from metal, which was derived from Black Sabbath, which was influenced by America, even if it has no resemblence at all to Sabbath. Obviously, that's absurd.

I agree with you, Hip-Hop is a sad excuse for popular music, at least today's Hip-Hop is. Nevertheless, it is undeniably popular, and also an American innovation, that was my only point

We are not talking about popularity, are we Lenny?

No, we were talking about your claim that Europe is musically stale. Are you interested in holding onto that claim?

We are not talking about popularity, are we Lenny?

No, we were talking about your claim that Europe is musically stale. Are you interested in holding onto that claim?The only reason I made that claim is because it is true

American music is popular because of American media.

Techno and Electronica are products of the of the last 20 years. Where did they come from? America

How do you trace where these genres came from? For the sake of example, I think electronica was quite influenced by New Wave, prominent in 'post-punk' England. This music became popular in the 80s (bands like the Cure and Depeche Mode) Joy Division and others often went on to form 80s 'synthpop' bands (New order! lol) and I think this led to more use of electronic instruments in music. Like Edana said "popular music is most often the most stale form of music, since it tends to be a rehash and dumbed down version of what has already come and gone from the innovative underground" The 80s was in a large part an era of commercialized new wave ( like U2, Duran Duran).

The only reason I made that claim is because it is true

You have yet to really defend this claim, while I've disputed the logic you've used to make it.. with real examples on top of a hypothetical. And I've only stuck to the vague "metal" genre... I'm sure myself and a few others can explain to you where folk has gone, which you don't know anything about, because you're ignorant.

LoL, tracing things back to the "roots" is meaningless, because you'll ultimately end up back to primitive tribes banging on leather hide drums and chanting.

LoL, tracing things back to the "roots" is meaningless, because you'll ultimately end up back to primitive tribes banging on leather hide drums and chanting.

Pretty much :p I suspect those were the very recent roots of blues and jazz lol. Hey, where did those negroes get the guitar?

Anyway, it is just plain stupid to say that America is the only country that made recent 'innovations' in music (especially when you are referring to the creation of new genres as an indicator of that). Christ, you can split up everything into a hundred subgenres. Some people don't notice the difference between different types, like our pal Lenny who considers black metal really close to heavy metal. I don't think genres matter so much as the artists. It is a really vague and insufficient way to speak of music (except the kind that you dont like :p). Especially the broader terms, naturally. "Metal" -to some that includes Korn (yuck)

LoL, let's contrast and compare:

Austria: Summoning

America: k0rn

I rest my case.

You really like the Tolkien based stuff dont you? I suspect you are in fact of the elfin race.

I love Tolkien stuff, but I liked Gimli more than the elves. ;)

Austria: Summoning
There are at least two dozen better Austrian bands.

Personally I'm a big fan of the Nazgul. The Witch-King had style.

There are at least two dozen better Austrian bands.

By all means, list them off. Let's see how 'stale' Europe is!

I hate Jazz too.

Not even Frank Sinatra?

"Heavy Metal" has progressed to the point where it's almost an absurdity to lump it all into one genre. It has grown into a plural and moved on from Black Sabbath. Listen to Summoning, then Blind Guardian, then Falkenbach, then Therion, then Graveland, then diSEMBOWELMENT, then Falconer, then Mortuary Drape, then Ayreon, then Doomsword, etc, and tell me if it makes sense to lump all of that into the same genre as Black Sabbath, then say that none of it is innovative or different because Black Sabbath was influenced by American bands.
I dare say that a jazz fan could equally well counter that it makes no sense to lump an acid-jazz group in with a big band, or to stick either alongside John Coltrane. In my experience, most scenes look a lot deeper and more varied from within than from outside. Also, to a large extent, the way in which bands within a scene will rush to proclaim themselves exponents of a new genre rather than settling for the relevant generic term ("what? no, this isn't punk, this is, uhhhh, post-hardcore avant-garde dogbiscuits") is ridiculous. Does anyone give a flying **** about the difference between black metal and death metal or the precise point at which stoner rock segues into doom?

Metal can trace its roots back to Black Sabbath, from England.


I was thinking Judas Priest.

I was thinking Screamin' Jay Hawkins. He invented black metal 30 years before Venom. ;)

I was thinking Screamin' Jay Hawkins. He invented black metal 30 years before Venom. ;)

If you want to be...literal.

Rockabilly madman? Or was that Screamin Lord Sutch?

I put a spell on you!!!

I put a spell on you!!!

I shake my stick at you!

http://freespace.virgin.net/graham.butterworth/sjh.jpg


v00d00 death rock?

Rockabilly madman? Or was that Screamin Lord Sutch?
If you can't tell these two apart I guess you have to repeat a few classes at Rock 'n' Roll High School. ;)

Good ole Screamin' Jay rocked! Every corpse-paint wearing Norwegian Black Metal band was just a bad copy. King Diamond - a better copy, but still a copy. Ozzy - despite the bat-and-dove-biting an unoriginal copy. ;)

If you can't tell these two apart I guess you have to repeat a few classes at Rock 'n' Roll High School. ;)

Only if you'll be my teacher ;) So far I know one's black and one's white, both dress funny.

Not anymore. They both died not too long ago. Jay died a natural death, Sutch hung himself. His Raving Monster Loony Party is still around though.

His Raving Monster Loony Party is still around though.

What is that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_Monster_Raving_Loony_Party

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_Monster_Raving_Loony_Party

LOL that party rules. :D


We'll replace the current national anthem with 'Do the Funky Gibbon' by the Goodies. This is a more lively anthem than our current one.

Hat wearing will be encouraged by abolishing VAT on headwear.

There should be a national debate on the subject of why there is only one female Smurf.

We'll introduce fruit machines where you put a lemon in the slot to try and line up three of the same coinage, in order to win more lemons.

Schools will be instructed to concentrate on the four Rs: Reading, Writing, Rock & Rave

Anyone using a mobile phone in public will be in danger of being 'silly stringed'. Any member of the public will, at their own convenience and pleasure, be able to carry and use at their discretion cans of squirty silly string on anyone they hear using a mobile phone.

http://www32.brinkster.com/omrlp/2001Manifesto.asp

I am listening to the Soviet National Anthem on Winamp at the moment.

LOL that party rules. :D
And it is more successful than BNP and NF combined. ;)

And it is more successful than BNP and NF combined. ;)

I am considering joining.

"Any Loony who has stood in elections will tell you that it's enormous fun. You get to dress up, wear a silly hat, and laugh at the people who look at you disdainfully because they haven't got a sense of humour"

http://www32.brinkster.com/omrlp/candidate.asp

Hard to resist.

Does anyone give a flying **** about the difference between black metal and death metal...?

LoL, they are completely different sounds. Since they have completely different sounds, I definitely care. If a band describes themselves as "Death Metal", I'll probably not bother, since I haven't heard any death metal that I like. A black metal band, I might give them a shot if I hear they stand out in any way. Black Metal, Death Metal, and Power Metal is like apples, oranges, and grapes.

Download Leadbelly's "Hitler Song" on kazaa for some amusement.

RealRhapsody is a good deal, 400,000 songs for 9.95/mo, but their classification system makes me laugh. They have Marilyn Manson listed under "Metal" - "Industrial Metal". As if that were not enough, they even have Insane Clown Posse listed under a supposed subset of Metal they call "Rapcore".

Here are the categories RR lists under "Metal":

Alt Metal
Black Metal
Death Metal
Doom Metal
Funk Metal
Grindcore
New Wave of British Heavy Metal
Pop Metal
Progressive Metal
Rapcore
Stoner Rock
Thrash/Speed Metal




Funk Metal????????

Funk Metal????????
Metal with some stupid 70's-style bass riffs. Popular in the mid 90's.

Only Kraut Metal rocks!

Metal can trace its roots back to Black Sabbath, from England.

And from Black Sabbath to the blues (and jazz), from the U.S.

Were it not for the blues, white kids would still be listening to crooners.

Only Kraut Metal rocks!

Kreator are Ittakas! :|

Yep. And their families are communists. I hung around with them a lot in the mid-80s. Them and Sodom. And Grave Digger. And a band called Living Death. Those were the days! ;)

And from Black Sabbath to the blues (and jazz), from the U.S.

Were it not for the blues, white kids would still be listening to crooners.

The problem with this claim is that it's based on the assumption that nothing different would have ever been born. Since rock and roll was influenced by rural folk styles as well, and multiple non-rock genres of folk were born in Europe, it's a fair assumption that another style of folk and/or classical derived music would have came up.

RealRhapsody is a good deal, 400,000 songs for 9.95/mo, but their classification system makes me laugh. They have Marilyn Manson listed under "Metal" - "Industrial Metal". As if that were not enough, they even have Insane Clown Posse listed under a supposed subset of Metal they call "Rapcore".

Rapcore is like the crack fetus that should have been aborted during the first trimester.

Rapcore is like the crack fetus that should have been aborted during the first trimester.

So ... you don't like rapcore?

I'll have to at least sample Insane Clown Posse. That is a great name for a band.

Upstanding Southern Gentlemen such as yourself should not like ICP. It would spoil my image of you, which is quite good at the moment. :p

Yep. And their families are communists. I hung around with them a lot in the mid-80s. Them and Sodom. And Grave Digger. And a band called Living Death. Those were the days! ;)

lol, in the mid-80s I was still listening to Benjamin Blümchen. :D
Is it true you also saw Carnivore live? I read this somewhere on Skadi.

So ... you don't like rapcore?

I'll have to at least sample Insane Clown Posse. That is a great name for a band.

LOL ICP eats a dick. They REALLY, REALLY suck.
Think of KISS costumes, then imagine something 10X more retarded.

So ... you don't like rapcore?

I'll have to at least sample Insane Clown Posse. That is a great name for a band.

Uh, right. Here's a sample of their lyrics (from "Bugz on my Nugz"):

Bugz On My Nugz

[Shaggy 2 Dope]
Well I don't understand the phenomenom
We ****ing these hoes that look like spallala
Rich boys think that is ****ty
But I like ****ing crackheads with one titty
And I do it at the drop of a dime
And I get the scabies almost every time
So let's talk about my nutsac
I don't front Jack I got bugs on my ballzac

[Violent J]
Well I'm Violent J and I ain't no *****
I'm always quick to tell you when my nuts itch
Cuz ***** if I'm itching when I come home
Drop a brick in a sock swing it on your dome
You didn't think nothing of it, just let me stick it
Probably should of known cuz I thought I heard crickets
In your neden, but I ain't sayin nuttin though
I ain't sayin nuttin till I'm done nuttin, ho
And know I'm like ***** how can this be
Tryin to sleep and my nuts get up and watch TV
Then try to walk to the store and get a 40
How'd these bugs get on me

[Shaggy 2 Dope]
Somebody asked me how I got scabies
Probably that homeless fat redneck bad lady
That I ****ed in the shed
Then the little critters on my dingaling said

[Chorus (2x)]
Your nuts we want your nuts
We'll itch and scratch and bite your nuts
Your nuts we want your nuts
Please, oh please, **** dirty butts (sluts)

[Shaggy 2 Dope]
I met this ***** and went up in it
Dropped her off, went to the clinic
*****, I got bizugs on my siznac
So tell me what's up with that
Should of said something bout your bug problem
Now I'm gonna have to sock you in your mouth, *****
Can't keep my mother****ing hands out my drawers
Stick a roach motel up under your balls
Nah, I'd rather stick em in a deep fry
And sizzle those mother****ers off my wang

[Violent J]
So you wanna **** around, always gotta buck around
Lift up your dingaling nothing but a bug ya found
Now they call you funky nuts cuz you like funky butts
Scratching and biting them, now they call you monkey nuts
But I ain't sayin nothing, cuz you ain't playin nothin
Bring the track back and I get back to the nutsac track

[Shaggy 2 Dope]
So now I try to rap cuz the bugs is biting
But I ain't going out like a *****, yo, **** that
Stick em in a blender and hit the switch
Then I hit the *****

[Violent J]
Met this bum in the back of a dumpster
****ed her in the rumpster, juggaluga humpster
Had to take a piss, so I pulled out my wang
Then I heard my dingaling sang

[Chorus (8x)]

It's musical poetry.